Raf Losses 1940 - Page 3

MaryMc · 03-01-2008, 01:33 PM

Paul,
Thanks, that's him
I didn't notice the date on the post!
I'll post again as you suggested.

Cheers
Mary

stevew · 03-01-2008, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Reed

since I got Biggle's CD it has certainly thrown up some interesting stuff.

Paul,

What is Biggle's CD? Is it a commercailly availble disk?

Steve

4th wilts · 03-01-2008, 02:18 PM

o.k guys,do you know where i could find info on luftwaffe fighter losses between the beginning of the war and the entry of the u.s.a.a.f .into the war.

von Poop · 03-01-2008, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew

What is Biggle's CD? Is it a commercailly availble disk?

Here you go Steve:
RAF Roll of honour project.
eBay Seller: biggles rfc: Non-Fiction Books, WW2 BRITISH ARMY ROYAL MARINE CASUALTY LIST Access97 items on eBay.co.uk

Cheers,
Adam.

Paul Reed · 03-01-2008, 02:22 PM

I got mine from him on eBay and it was a pleasure to deal with him.

stevew · 03-01-2008, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Von Poop

Here you go Steve:
RAF Roll of honour project.
eBay Seller: biggles rfc: Non-Fiction Books, WW2 BRITISH ARMY ROYAL MARINE CASUALTY LIST Access97 items on eBay.co.uk

Cheers,
Adam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Reed

I got mine from him on eBay and it was a pleasure to deal with him.

Adam, Paul

Thanks. My very quick search on ebay didn't produce anything

Steve

Paul Reed · 03-01-2008, 03:57 PM

Steve - his eBay page is:

eBay My World - biggles_rfc

Drop him a mail - I am sure he will send you what you want. As I say, he has been very helpful to me.

maceo59 · 03-01-2008, 04:13 PM

I'm french and I'm carrying out an investigation about 3 unidentified airmen buried in Liesse Communal Cemetery (not far away from city of Laon, Aisne, France). They have been shot down on 17th may 1940 and I'm pretty sure they were from 82 squadron (bomber command, bristol blenheim aircraft).

The problem is that 3 crews of this squadron are missing at the same date and commemorated at runnymede :

serial number aircraft : P4838
- sgt F.S. MILLER
- F/O A.M. GOFTON
- cpl T.H. CUMMINS

serial number aircraft : P4853
- sgt R.E NEWBATT
- sgt J.K. CRAWLEY
- sgt A.V. KNOWLES

serial number : P4858
- P/O S.CHRISTENSEN
- sgt A.N. PHILLIPS
- L/A P.R. ETTERSHANK

The 82 squadron had no escort during his mission and has been attacked by german figthers. All squadron has been shot down (11 airplanes lost, one came back badly damaged in Watton).
So, which crew is buried in Liesse ? I found 3 others crash sites of 82 squadron airplanes in the area of Laon, crews identified. The only way for identify these men is a DNA test. I thank that maybe could we find close relatives still alive (brother, sister, children). If we find one relative for each crew, this kind of process could be used.
My problem is : how to get information about families of these men and finding them.

I don't understand why I found casualties of 82 squadron in Laon area if their initial mission was in Gembloux (Belgium, not far away from Namur).

I only found this on a website :

"At 0400 hours in the morning of 17 May, twelve crews of No,82 Squadron gathered in the briefing room at Watton to be told to attack an enemy column near Gembloux. Their expected fighter escort did not materialize and they ran into a severe flak barrage which split the formation up allowing the Bf 109s to attack with great effect. Only one Blenheim, flown by Jock Morrison on one engine, managed to get back to Watton - the rest were shot down"

These airmen have been shot down above the village of Marchais, maybe unfortunately by a friendly fire (french troops on the ground). It seems The bristol blenheim aircraft looked like german JU88. The graves say 18 may 1940 but it seems they have been buried by germans who were coming from the Ardennes. In the confusion of "debacle" (exode....) they didn't know the exact date of their death.

I'm trying to locate two others crash site of 82 squadron (Ardennes ? Belgium ?). If you had any information about unidentified airmen in Ardennes, you can help me.

regards

Cédric Bonte

EDIT: I've moved Cedric's query to a thread of it's own to give it more visibility, hope that's ok:
http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-cemeteries-war-memorial-research/13035-unidentified-airmen-liesse-aisne-france.html
Cheers, Adam

stevew · 03-01-2008, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Reed

Steve - his eBay page is:

eBay My World - biggles_rfc

Drop him a mail - I am sure he will send you what you want. As I say, he has been very helpful to me.

Thanks again Paul,

I'm sure I can find something to spend my money on

Steve

Peter Clare · 04-01-2008, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaryMc

HI.
I'm new here.

I've been trying to research my husbands Uncle and I see you have him on your list.

STAPLES, THOMAS WILLIAM CLIFFORD 615851 Leading Aircraftman 18/05/1940

Do you have any more info on him?

Thanks in advance!

MaryMc

Flight Magazine June 1940 (p.556) lists him as DIED on active service. (natural causes or non-flying accident).

Thanks to Henk Welting. rafcommands.com

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03-01-2008, 04:13 PM	#28 (permalink)
maceo59 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 6	unidentified airmen in Liesse (Aisne,France) I'm french and I'm carrying out an investigation about 3 unidentified airmen buried in Liesse Communal Cemetery (not far away from city of Laon, Aisne, France). They have been shot down on 17th may 1940 and I'm pretty sure they were from 82 squadron (bomber command, bristol blenheim aircraft). The problem is that 3 crews of this squadron are missing at the same date and commemorated at runnymede : serial number aircraft : P4838 - sgt F.S. MILLER - F/O A.M. GOFTON - cpl T.H. CUMMINS serial number aircraft : P4853 - sgt R.E NEWBATT - sgt J.K. CRAWLEY - sgt A.V. KNOWLES serial number : P4858 - P/O S.CHRISTENSEN - sgt A.N. PHILLIPS - L/A P.R. ETTERSHANK The 82 squadron had no escort during his mission and has been attacked by german figthers. All squadron has been shot down (11 airplanes lost, one came back badly damaged in Watton). So, which crew is buried in Liesse ? I found 3 others crash sites of 82 squadron airplanes in the area of Laon, crews identified. The only way for identify these men is a DNA test. I thank that maybe could we find close relatives still alive (brother, sister, children). If we find one relative for each crew, this kind of process could be used. My problem is : how to get information about families of these men and finding them. I don't understand why I found casualties of 82 squadron in Laon area if their initial mission was in Gembloux (Belgium, not far away from Namur). I only found this on a website : "At 0400 hours in the morning of 17 May, twelve crews of No,82 Squadron gathered in the briefing room at Watton to be told to attack an enemy column near Gembloux. Their expected fighter escort did not materialize and they ran into a severe flak barrage which split the formation up allowing the Bf 109s to attack with great effect. Only one Blenheim, flown by Jock Morrison on one engine, managed to get back to Watton - the rest were shot down" These airmen have been shot down above the village of Marchais, maybe unfortunately by a friendly fire (french troops on the ground). It seems The bristol blenheim aircraft looked like german JU88. The graves say 18 may 1940 but it seems they have been buried by germans who were coming from the Ardennes. In the confusion of "debacle" (exode....) they didn't know the exact date of their death. I'm trying to locate two others crash site of 82 squadron (Ardennes ? Belgium ?). If you had any information about unidentified airmen in Ardennes, you can help me. regards Cédric Bonte EDIT: I've moved Cedric's query to a thread of it's own to give it more visibility, hope that's ok: http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-cemeteries-war-memorial-research/13035-unidentified-airmen-liesse-aisne-france.html Cheers, Adam Last edited by von Poop; 03-01-2008 at 04:38 PM. Reason: Created new thread.

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MaryMc Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3	Paul, Thanks, that's him I didn't notice the date on the post! I'll post again as you suggested. Cheers Mary

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