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Old 01-04-2006, 10:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Used to read loads about Rodeos and circuses, etc but I need to re-learn again because it's been so long.
Can anybody tell me the difference between, Rodeos, Rubs and circuses?
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Old 01-04-2006, 03:32 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Can anybody tell me the difference between, Rodeos, Rubs and circuses?
Basically different names for the same things, large formations of allied aircraft carrying out offensive sorties over occupied France.
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So can anyone make out which variant my Avatar is? Sorry about the picture quality, it's from a very strange but good Russian website..
http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm ('Haxodku' for pictures of kit still on the surface 60 years after the fighting.)
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It is either an FW-190A (not sure which version) or an FW-190F-8.
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Old 02-04-2006, 05:55 PM   #15 (permalink)
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So can anyone make out which variant my Avatar is? Sorry about the picture quality, it's from a very strange but good Russian website..
http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm ('Haxodku' for pictures of kit still on the surface 60 years after the fighting.)
I don't know, so pray tell, Von Meister, please. And what's the background to it?
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I don't know, so pray tell, Von Meister, please. And what's the background to it?
I have no idea mate. Wasn't a quiz. (i'd trust to Gnomey's suggestion as he obviously knows a damn sight more about Planes than me.)All I can normally make out from Russian sites is that an astonishing amount can still be found just lying there, I assume the pics from within the last 10 years or so, wonder if it's still there or in an American collection somewhere? Surely such a well preserved 190 would have a pretty good financial value when you consider some of the lumps of rusty metal they get flying again..?? Been trying to make out the numbers in the hope I could work out what unit it belonged to.
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Old 03-04-2006, 12:30 PM   #17 (permalink)
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So can anyone make out which variant my Avatar is? Sorry about the picture quality, it's from a very strange but good Russian website..
http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm ('Haxodku' for pictures of kit still on the surface 60 years after the fighting.)
Ok Von Meister. I've looked and looked at the pictures on the site. I've checked my books from the size of the open hatch on the fuselage I think it's an FW190 A4, but the colour scheme is strange maybe the colour in the pictures is off.
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I think it's an FW190 A4, but the colour scheme is strange maybe the colour in the pictures is off.
Probably right Gage doesn't look like a Dora. For the Germans it was too bad that they didn't focus wholly on creating the Fw190 as an air superiority fighter. Never understood the need for a fighter bomber when you're getting the crap bombed out of you day and night. Massive numbers of early versions then leading to the TA152 would have made things very different.
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Ramrod - Attack by bombers (or fighter-bombers) escorted by fighters. The primary object of the operation was the destruction of the target.
Rodeo - Fighter sweep over enemy territory with no bombers.
Roadstead - Attack on enemy ships at sea by bombers (or fighter-bombers) escorted by fighters.
Rhubarb - Small scale attack by fighters using cloud cover and surprise, with the object of destroying enemy aircraft in the air and/or striking at ground targets.
Circus - Attack by a small force of bombers with powerful fighter escort, intended to lure enemy fighters into the air.
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The policy in my group (99th) was that no pilot wold finish a tour as a copilot.
About halfway through my tour I was checking out my copilot in the left seat. We had about about 25 planes over the target, In my sqdn my plane was on the extreme right side. I had nothing to do except to look out of the window. I saw a FW190 attacking my plane from 4 o'clock level. This incident probably lasted 5 or 6 seconds. I remembered that we had a flare gun in the ceiling of the plane, it was loaded, I tried to pull it down to shoot at him but in the heat of excitement I forgot that it was screwed in a half turn, I could see 20mm shells coming closer and closer. He didn't hit me but in breaking away he flew under my wing, he saw my hand raised to pull down the gun, he thought that I was waving at him,so he waved back, luckily he missed me. While being debreifed I told S2 about the incident, they sent the story to my hometown paper, Several weeks later my folks sent me a copy of the story. It said " Nazi pilot and Jewish pilot salute each other in the heat of combat", after that incident I realized why the military issued us brown underwear..

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