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Old 18-05-2008, 07:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Different Types of Headstones

Found these types of headstones in a country New South Wales war cemetery in Australia.

Has anybody ever seen any in this design?

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Old 18-05-2008, 09:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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They're standard CWGC headstones. The stone is probably 'locally' sourced for its suitability to withstand local climate conditions.

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They're standard CWGC headstones. The stone is probably 'locally' sourced for its suitability to withstand local climate conditions.

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Standard in dimensions.............Yes?

Not a "standard" CWGC headstone.
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A fellowship in death.

I may of course be missing something but, in what way are they not standard Spidge?

If it's just the Marble looking stone I've seen a few CWGC markers in other than the usual material.

Good stuff on GWF:
Headstones On British Cemeteries - Great War Forum
Could these be in the newer 'Botticino' stone? A search under 'Botticino CWGC' turns up a few references.

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Adam,

That's a very interesing thread, thanks for sharing it.

I also agree with you about the 'standard' format of Spidge's headstones.

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I may of course be missing something but, in what way are they not standard Spidge?

If it's just the Marble looking stone I've seen a few CWGC markers in other than the usual material.

Good stuff on GWF:
Headstones On British Cemeteries - Great War Forum
Could these be in the newer 'Botticino' stone? A search under 'Botticino CWGC' turns up a few references.

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I am on GWF and read the attached thread before posting however being a WW2 stone the question would have been off topic.

The typeface and gold gilt is nothing like I have seen previously and have been sent many thousands from around the world. I have photographed every war cemetery within 100 miles of that cemetery and none look similar.

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Has anybody seen any in this design?
This email I received below from a friend of the CWGC seems to answer many of the questions as to why it is "different" however I thought they looked really good and wondered if any more had been seen like it.

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Local stones are often used - sometimes as an experiment - sometimes for economic reasons. These look like a type of granite but may be marble - I can't tell from the pics. Granite is not unusual in Australia and there are many different types/colours.

All typefaces should be the same but differences do occur. Sometimes it is a stonemason's error or the simple fact that he could not 'do' the required typeface. Many such variations occur. It may also be down to a misunderstood instruction etc when these were originally sorted by CWGC Australia or that the stone is of a type that made a different typeface easier to carve - not such delicate serif ends to the letters etc.

I have a vague memory that I have seen similar stones elsewhere downunder.

There are so many variations on headstones due to them all being hand-made and 'one-offs' until recent years when the laser machines were brought in that seeking answers to any particular variation is a fruitless task. Even CWGC will not know in all probability.

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There are several CWGC graves in St John's Churchyard in Llangollen and although of standard design are of slate. I know they're genuine as one is my grandfather's and my father attended the funeral and confirms that the stone is the original.
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