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Old 18-05-2008, 07:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Different Types of Headstones

Found these types of headstones in a country New South Wales war cemetery in Australia.

Has anybody ever seen any in this design?

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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
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(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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They're standard CWGC headstones. The stone is probably 'locally' sourced for its suitability to withstand local climate conditions.

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Old 18-05-2008, 12:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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They're standard CWGC headstones. The stone is probably 'locally' sourced for its suitability to withstand local climate conditions.

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Standard in dimensions.............Yes?

Not a "standard" CWGC headstone.
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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A fellowship in death.

I may of course be missing something but, in what way are they not standard Spidge?

If it's just the Marble looking stone I've seen a few CWGC markers in other than the usual material.

Good stuff on GWF:
Headstones On British Cemeteries - Great War Forum
Could these be in the newer 'Botticino' stone? A search under 'Botticino CWGC' turns up a few references.

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Adam,

That's a very interesing thread, thanks for sharing it.

I also agree with you about the 'standard' format of Spidge's headstones.

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I may of course be missing something but, in what way are they not standard Spidge?

If it's just the Marble looking stone I've seen a few CWGC markers in other than the usual material.

Good stuff on GWF:
Headstones On British Cemeteries - Great War Forum
Could these be in the newer 'Botticino' stone? A search under 'Botticino CWGC' turns up a few references.

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I am on GWF and read the attached thread before posting however being a WW2 stone the question would have been off topic.

The typeface and gold gilt is nothing like I have seen previously and have been sent many thousands from around the world. I have photographed every war cemetery within 100 miles of that cemetery and none look similar.

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Has anybody seen any in this design?
This email I received below from a friend of the CWGC seems to answer many of the questions as to why it is "different" however I thought they looked really good and wondered if any more had been seen like it.

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Local stones are often used - sometimes as an experiment - sometimes for economic reasons. These look like a type of granite but may be marble - I can't tell from the pics. Granite is not unusual in Australia and there are many different types/colours.

All typefaces should be the same but differences do occur. Sometimes it is a stonemason's error or the simple fact that he could not 'do' the required typeface. Many such variations occur. It may also be down to a misunderstood instruction etc when these were originally sorted by CWGC Australia or that the stone is of a type that made a different typeface easier to carve - not such delicate serif ends to the letters etc.

I have a vague memory that I have seen similar stones elsewhere downunder.

There are so many variations on headstones due to them all being hand-made and 'one-offs' until recent years when the laser machines were brought in that seeking answers to any particular variation is a fruitless task. Even CWGC will not know in all probability.

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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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There are several CWGC graves in St John's Churchyard in Llangollen and although of standard design are of slate. I know they're genuine as one is my grandfather's and my father attended the funeral and confirms that the stone is the original.
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