B.a.r. Vs. Stg 44

[thunderbolt47]

The two weapons used during WWII that really grab my attention is the Browning Automatic Rifle and the Sturmgewehr 44. I have done some research on both and really my favirot is the B.A.R. This weapon was far more effective and had quite a punch to it. Even though it was heavy and surely got a little anyoning after lugging it all over the the Pacific or France it saved a lot of soldiers and Marines lives.

The StG. 44 on the other hand was a weapon unlike any other. It was the first assault rifle. There happen to be many flaws with it though. It couldn't sustain rough weather, it was poorly made, the stock was uncomfortable, and the stock would easily break in hand-to-hand combat! But this would have been easily fixed if the war would have ran just a little longer. And in case if some of you don't know the StG. 44 is the grandfather of the Ak-47. When the war began to come to a close, Soviet soldiers found this weapon and eventually made the Ak-47.

Hope to read your opinions soon!

Hit'em hard and hit'em fast till they hope you don't come back!
-Thunderbolt47

[CROONAERT]

Originally posted by thunderbolt47@Mar 30 2005, 08:37 PM
And in case if some of you don't know the StG. 44 is the grandfather of the Ak-47.

Does that make the MP.43 the Gt.Grandfather of the AK 47 then?

Thunderbolt, you're asking for a comparison between two completely different types of weapon there! One is practically a LMG and the other an assault rifle. They were both used for different reasons and were both good for their particular job at their particular time.

Dave. (PS I'd rather lug a StG 44 around for miles than a BAR, any day!!! )

[angie999]

You cannot really compare these weapons.

The BAR was a squad level automatic weapon in the LMG class. However, it was an old design with a slow rate of fire and a small magazine capacity. It was the American equivalent of the Bren and in my opinion it was inferior to the equivalent weapon in many other armies. But as it was in service in 1941 with no obvious replacement in the pipeline, it remained in service. It was reasonably effective, but not outstanding.

The StG44 was, as you say, an early assault rifle and, as often happens, being the first in its class it suffered from a number of design faults. It was not used in the same role as the BAR, but was issued in place of the previously standard K98k to some units.

In appearance, the AK47 resembles the StG44, but they operate in totally different ways - difficult to see a direct lineage.

[Pte1643]

Originally posted by thunderbolt47@Mar 30 2005, 09:37 PM
The StG. 44 on the other hand was a weapon unlike any other. It was the first assault rifle. There happen to be many flaws with it though.

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As there was with the M16, when it was first issued. One of the major modifications included the fitting of a "Forward Assist" lever, because the breach constantly "Jammed". Look at it now though.

I can see the "resemblance" of the Stg44 and the AK47, but the AK was a much 'cruder' weapon, in the way it was engineered. Still is in fact, which is probably why it's so sucessfull... There's nothing to jam up!

Out of the two, personally, well difficult to say really, probably have to go for the smaller, lighter Stg44.

But give me a good old fashioned Lee Enfield anyday.

Mark.

[morse1001]

But give me a good old fashioned Lee Enfield anyday.X

i would add to that or a SLR.

but it is easy to see why most people assume that the AK47 was developed from the stg 43/44

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[Pte1643]

Originally posted by morse1001@Apr 3 2005, 03:34 PM
i would add to that or a SLR.

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What, nobody for an SA80?

[morse1001]

Originally posted by Pte1643+Apr 3 2005, 03:23 PM-->