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![]() ![]() | We probably could not let this 60th anniversary pass without comment. July 16th 1945. First atomic bomb detonated. [attachmentid=871] This day meant the beginning of the end for Japan and WW2. The cities of Hiroshima & Nagasaki would in weeks to come, unknowingly be the Japanese martyrs of their people. Their deaths, suffering and total desolation from the new weapon would save as many as 10 million of their people from battle death and starvation. The Japanese people would have fought with sticks against the allies and died in "vain". Many numbers have been bantered around over the years (up to 2 million) of how many casualties the allies would have received from the invasion of the Japanese homeland. Was it the better outcome to singularise the weapons power in two cities or invade and utterly destroy the culture of all for the "with honour" request of the Japanese generals. Hiroshima and Little Boy.........200,000 deaths with Nagasaki and Fat Man 150,000 deaths and a huge number of long term effects. I, and possibly the majority, look at the long term effects on the surviving allied soldiers that would have had to fight for every inch of the homeland. "Tradeoff" is not the best word..............however it fits here.
__________________ Spidge, ![]() ------------------------------------------------------- My Avatar is the memorial to the 22 Commonwealth Coastwatchers at the Temakin Cemetery on Betio (Tarawa Atoll) who were beheaded by the Japanese on 15th October 1942. http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat...mem_beito.html "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war." (Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.) What did the Australians do in ww2 and other conflicts? Check out this site: http://www.diggerhistory.info/00-pag...ster-index.htm |
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![]() | I have discussed this question on the boards many times and I have come firmly to the position that the use of nuclear weapons against Japan was the correct decision in 1945. Thanks for reminding us of the date of the Trinity test.
__________________ Angie "History is lived forward but it is written in retrospect. We know the end before we consider the beginning and we can never wholly recapture what it was like to know the beginning only." C V Wedgewood |
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![]() | I agree that the use of the weapons was the correct dicision. Thanks for reminding us on this anniversary.
__________________ ![]() "Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few" Sir Winston Chuchill, Summer 1940 "To him the people of Britain and the free world owe largely the way of life they enjoy today" Ensciption on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-1940) Statue in London Aircraft of World War 2 Forum - A Warbird Forum |
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![]() | Thanks for that post. I am reminded every time I think about that event, of Oppenheimer's epiphany, remembering the Bhagavad Ghita, "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." He knew that he had sprung Pandora's Box. And I don't think we've seen the end of it.
__________________ "My intensity is intense." -- Roger Clemens "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -- Winston Churchill. "I am not a hero. The heroes are all dead. I am a survivor." -- Sgt. William Guarnere, Easy Company, 506th Parachute Regiment, 101st Airborne Division. Check out my little contributions to World War II history at my web pages: World War II Plus 55 or http://davidhlippman.wildbillguarnere.com |
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![]() | Harry Trumans' first resposibility was the welfare of American servicemen and women. The atomic attacks were terrible, but as Angie points out they saved many lives. I've listened as my step-fathers father described the horror of a kamikaze attack. This weapon alone would have claimed thousands of Allied lives even before the first troops set foot on Japanese soil.
__________________ "Retreat Hell! We're just attacking in a different direction." (Major General Oliver P. Smith USMC responding to reporters when asked why the 1st Marines were withdrawing from the Chosin Reservoir, December 1950.) |
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