German Flying Saucers (Nazi UFOS)

Panzerfaust · 23-02-2006, 10:22 PM

I am sure this topic has not been discussed before on this forum, seeing as i have searched for it using the keywords in the posting title.

Near the end of World War 2 the Germans started to become desprate in searching for new ways to try to come back into the war. Himmler thought that Germany was going to recover because he misinterpretated one of Nostradamus's predictions. All in the while in october 1944 Hitler ordered the Luftwaffe to start comming up with new ideas for aircraft. They tried many wacky ideas for planes but the most intruiging of all the design plans was the design for a "flying saucer like" aircraft (later labeled with english after the americans won the war)

More in depth details of this aircraft can be found in this PDF file http://www.cufon.org/cufon/Silverbug.pdf

It is said that the aircraft was never actually built until after the war.
America then started hiring german scientists to continue work on these saucers, known as "Project Silverbug".

The US military was testing and flying UFO design aircraft in the 40's and 50's. They had as many as 35 saucer projects with vertical lift off and descent. The most highly classified was known by code name Silverbug.
Near the end of WWII the allied forces had gained superiorty over the Germans. Or so it seemed. The Germans were looking for a superior craft. The SSE and Vril societies were building craft that looked like UFO's and were capable of vertical take-off's and landings because most of their runways had been destroyed.
The project was headed by Dr. Richard Mehta, sometimes known as the 'Father of Saucerology'. He was hired by the German air force to build a saucer shaped craft that could vertically ascend and shoot down allied planes with rockets. Allegedly the war ended before Metha developed his ship.
The American government recruited some of the German scientists after the war to go to Canada and continue their work. Dr. Metha was one of these men. He work on a secret aircraft project at AVROW Aeronautics in Canada. These were saucer type flying machines.
These saucers were designed to 2300 miles per hour at an altitude of 80,000 feet. Though designed in 1955 the papers describing these design were not declassified until 1995. For over 40 year America's #1 top flying saucer project was top secret.
In the 1950's in Canada Avro revealed the Avrocar to the public.

In 1953 the Toronto Star reported on the development by Avro Canada of a disc-shaped VTOL (Vertical Takeoff and Landing) aircraft.
In February it was officially announced that a mock-up of the craft, designed by British engineer John Frost and developed by the Malton, Ontario plant, had been made - and indeed, photographs exist of technicians smiling from its twin cockpits.
The project of which the Avro-car was a part was originally known as Project Y, funded by Canada, but was taken over by the U.S. Air Force in late 1953 - early 1954, as their Project 606, with an interest by the US Army.
It was hoped that the vehicle, designated VZ-9V, would ascend vertically and reach flight speeds of 1,500 mph (2,400 km/hr). The President of Avro Canada wrote in Aero News that the prototype being built was so revolutionary that it would make other designs obsolete.
The craft was officially named the Avro-Car.By 1960 about 10 million dollars had been spent on the project. During tests, the aircraft could not rise more than four or five feet above the ground without becoming very unstable.
Attempts were made to design mechanisms to increase its stability without success. It was hoped that the project would consolidate the future of the A.V. Roe company, but it was discontinued in 1961, and A.V. Roe went out of business.

The prototype was placed in a military museum at Fort Eustis, Virginia. One view was that the failed project was simply window-dressing to cover tests of a captured alien flying disc.
The Avro-Car was (depending on the source of the information) 18 or 25 feet in diameter, and weighed 3600 lb.

It was powered by three centrally mounted gas turbine engines driving a 5 feet diam. central fan used for vertical takeoff. Once in the air the turbo-jet exhaust would be shifted to the rear giving the vehicle forward thrust to allow the aerodynamic body to generate lift.
Sixty years later, we have other VTOL aircraft, including circular drones with a central propeller, undoubtedly mistaken for extraterrestrial aircraft on the occasion, but we still do not have a decent supersonic flying saucer of terrestrial origin.

- from http://www.crystalinks.com/silverbug.html

It is also known that the Nazis have sent ships to Antartica before as well:

Search "Neuschwabenland" or "Nazi Antartica Bergmann" In your online Seach bars.

More refrences:
http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/175_naziufo1.shtml
http://forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8239&page=1
http://www.naziufos.com/
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Wise1 · 23-02-2006, 10:55 PM

Interesting stuff, thanks for that, I just looked at my old video collection and I do have a video on this subject must watch it.

Panzerfaust · 23-02-2006, 11:19 PM

They mentioned the German Saucers briefly on the History Channel when they were discussing the luftwaffe and the secret weapons of WW2. Other than a minute and a half video from the Sightings show on the Sci-Fi channel I cannot seem to find any documentaries on this subject, or videos that go into great detail.

Think about this, if the war had been going on for about 2 more years, say. They could've had more time to make more of these. Thus, the allies would have been toast. Well, at least in the air.

Some say Hitler faked his death, and sent artillery to a secret base in Antractica before hand, and then ran off to Argentina in a sub cutting through the Balitc sea, through the atlantic, then to argentina. Then he took a connecting voyage to Antarctica. All that is a little bit extreme if you ask me. The idea of a Fourth Reich in Antartica seems impossible. But I am positive the German Saucers were real.

Kitty · 24-02-2006, 09:25 AM

I thought Hitler worked down the chipshop with Elvis?

Gnomey · 24-02-2006, 11:31 AM

Interesting stuff Panzerfaust, thanks for posting that.

Panzerfaust · 24-02-2006, 11:33 AM

There's actually a CIA document on the CIA's website regarding Hitler in Argentina. Here's an article regaurding his escape: http://www.rense.com/general54/1960.htm
I highly doubt he actually escaped though.

Back to the saucers, I have obtained more information.

Hitler's obsession with the occult and astrology is well known - but
evidence that his aerospace and rocket scientists were plundering alien
technology to build Nazi UFOs has never gripped the public imagination.
Maurizio Verga's tantalising web pages reveal Werner von Braun and the
Luftwaffe design teams could have been guided by extraterrestrials, perhaps
looting interstellar components from a crashed spaceship.
Rumours of the Third Reich's underground bases first surfaced in the late
Forties, coinciding with the birth of UFO sightings. America's Operation
Paperclip was at full throttle, with the FBI smuggling Nazi war criminals
into America to take advantage of their scientific expertise.
Former Nazis gave America the space race edge, and von Braun's career
followed a smooth flightpath from pilotless V2 rockets to Apollo 11 and the
first manned moon landing.
Verga believes the Luftwaffe developed a flying disc, in the classic saucer
shape, which flew at Prague on February 14, 1945. His photographic evidence
is almost certainly faked by Fifties sci-fi fans. Visit his site to enjoy
the artist's impressions, which are a glorious delight. It may not be a
coincidence that Americans began sighting flying saucers within three years
of the alleged Prague test-flight and von Braun's escape to America.
Countless UFO reports of the early Eighties turned out to be sightings of
America's Stealth Bombers. Is it possible that the US Air Force did develop
Nazi technology to build a fleet of saucers 50 years ago, producng the
first wave of Unidentified Flying Objects?
And if those spacecraft were for real, the chilling question remains: what
are the menacing objects reported nightly in Nineties skies?

- from UFO Folklore Center

The Ho-IX
Maximum Speed 600+ mph

To understand why the Germans didn't use rocket/jet/saucer technology to wil
the war we must first understand the nature of Hitler's plans for transforming
Germany into a world power.
Most nations will examine their own past and copy those successful policies in
their past to achieve a success outcome of their contempory foreign policies.
This was true of Hitler and the Third Reich. Hitler looked to the policies
Bismarck used to unite Germany under Prussian leadership and transform Germany
into a major European power in the 19th century.
Bismarck achieved his goals by a series of short, localized, little wars
against Denmarck (1864), Austria (1866) and France (1870-71). Hitler also
hoped to transform Germany into a world power through a series of short,
localized, little wars, against Czechoslovakia in 1938, Poland in 1939 and
against the Soviet union some time between 1941 to 1943. But things didn't
exactly turn out the why he hoped they would.
Hitler was able to dismember Czechoslovakia through peaceful means, though he
would have prefered a short, localized war. He did not believe that Britain
and France would come to the Czechs' defense any more than they were will to
stop Germany from occupying the Rhineland in 1936, and Austria in 1938, or
stop Italy from invading Ethopia in 1935, or intervene in the Spanish civil
war in 1936 or stop Japan's invasion of China in 1931 and again in 1937.
Hitler hoped to defeat the Czechs and than proceed to his next short,
localized, little war against Poland.
Hitler believed that the British and the French would never go to war to
defend Poland without the aid of the Soviet Union. That is why he signed the
non-agressiob pact with the Soviets. Without the Soviets to aid them, Hitler
believed the British and the French would not attack Germany in the west,
which they did not. Germany defeated and partitioned Poland with the Soviets
in four weeks. Hitler hoped the Allies would agree to an armistise. He
actually offered generous peace terms, including an alliance to defend the
British Empire in Oct. 1939, and again, after the defeat of the French in June
of 1940. Hitler even began to demobilize his armies after the defeat of
France in the summer of 1940. He never expected the British to continue to
resist him by themselves.
What does all this have to do with rocket/jet/saucer technology? That fact
is, the Germans were conducting research into rocket/jet/saucer technolgy
throughout the 1930s and even flew the first jets in 1937. But why didn't
they use this technology to win the war? Because Hitler never planned a WORLD
WAR. Again! He hoped to achieve his goals through a series of short,
localized, little wars.
He remembered what happened to Germany in the First World War. Germany went
on a total war footing from the outset of the war. This created terribel
hardships on the civilian population and resulted in a revolution in 1918,
resulting in the defeat of Germany. Hitler hoped to avoid this and never
transformed German's industries into a total war footing until mid-way through
1942, after Germany found itself in a world war with the United States, the
Soviet Union and the British Empire. By this time it was late.
Hitler never believed he would need rocket/jet/saucer technology. Germany
only began any serious attempt to develop these technologies in 1942. As a
result, Germany was never able to utilize rocket, jest and saucer in any
effective way to turn the tide of the war. The V2/A4 rocket was never
manufactured in any great numbers, and those they were able to use were used
for strategic purposes (bombing cities) rather than what would have been more
effective tactical purposes, (used against Allied armies in the field).
The Germany were only able to build a little more than six hundred jets in
late 1944 and early 1945, and very few of them were ever able to get off the
ground. This was because German industries were being bombed around the clock
by Allied bombers and Germany was being overrunned by Allied armies.
The simple truth was that the fable Nazi efficiency was a myth. The Nazis
never planned a world war and when they were faced with one, they were unable
to take the proper steps to transform Germany onto a total war footing until
it was to late. This is the reason why they were never able to develop and
use technologies regard rockets, jets and flying saucers to their benefit.

plant-pilot · 24-02-2006, 12:47 PM

I don't hold any faith in the "Nazi flying saucers" idea. Most pictures are either fantasyful artists impressions or pictures of models or design theory rigs. This is a long way from having anything actualy close to flying. In fact the one impressive photo, if authentic...

...shows a conventional propeller driven aircraft with a single circular aerofoil rather than two individual wings. Novel, but a long way from a 'spinning' or 'hovering' 'flying saucer' type craft.

I would in no way take that away from the technical advances they did make in rocketry, jet aircraft design and helicopter development, sometimes in very difficult circumstances and with limited resources.

No, for me it's just a case of seeing that they had made advances in technology and deciding that they must have gone further even if we knew nothing about it. I would say that for me to change my mind I'd have to see some really convincing photographic or film evidence of full size saucer type craft in flight under human control, otherwise it's just another one of those 'stories'.

Kiwiwriter · 24-02-2006, 09:46 PM

Actually, Hitler was not obsessed with astrology or the occult, but Himmler, Hess, and to a lesser extent, Goebbels, were.

A lot of the Nazi expeditions to Tibet, the Antarctic, and other subjects of Ernst Zundel's modern obsessions were the production of Himmler's file-clerk brain.

When Hess flew to England, a furious Hitler ordered Germany's psychics, tarot card readers, astrologers, and other seers arrested and sent to concentration camps. The Gestapo swooped, and all were hauled off. Goebbels noted in his diary that all of them were taken by surprise: none of them had predicted they would be arrested and jailed. "A poor advertisement for their profession!" the little doctor wrote.

But in April 1945, he used horoscopes to cheer up Hitler, knowing that the increasingly desperate and demented Fuehrer would clutch at any straw. He also had his newspaper staff write horoscopes that talked about "passing through dark valleys and into sunlight," thinking German readers would believe that, if nothing else, in his propaganda newspapers.

"One is just half of old snakes' eyes,
"Flying saucers are filling the skies.

"The trey is followed by Little Joe,
"Anti-gravity makes them go."

-- The Space Child's Mother Goose

Panzerfaust · 25-02-2006, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plant-pilot

I would say that for me to change my mind I'd have to see some really convincing photographic or film evidence of full size saucer type craft in flight under human control, otherwise it's just another one of those 'stories'.

I have obtained some video footage of The Americans testing out the flying saucer design after the war (recorded in Canada, one of the places where Project Silverbug was going on). I am just having problems with uploading it onto this forum. You can believe what you want, but the evidence is out there, You can find lots and lots of tech specs of these crafts if you would just look at this big document: http://www.cufon.org/cufon/Silverbug.pdf

If that still isn't enough evidence for you, i suggest you take a look at this book:

Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/193...lance&n=283155

As for Old Nazi bases in Antartica, there are probably lots of luftwaffe and kriegsmarine things there (including many unused german weapons of WW2, including the nazi saucers), and I never said Hitler was obsessed with Astrology or the occult, I said "The Nazis". I did not mention any specific one. Himmler thought that Atlantis was the continent of the Aryan race of super humans. First he thought it was in Tibet, or around that area. Nazis believed Atlantis was where Europe and Asia combined, which is partly the reason why the nazis respected the asians, because they thought they were there blood & ancenstry.

adrian roberts · 25-02-2006, 01:14 AM

What advantage would a saucer shaped aircraft have over a conventional one, anyway? There is no aerodynamic reason why it would fly faster. It would be no more manouverable. It could be made to rotate and point in a different direction very quickly due to having no tail to stabilise it, but how could it be made to stop rotating? The crew would become extremely giddy and the basic laws of motion would mean that it would be no easier to actually make it move in a different direction. Control and stability would require a modern computerised fly-by-wire system.

The circular plane shown in the photograph is very small, very slow judging by the fixed undercarriage, and is a lifting-body type, or more likely a flying wing type, not a true saucer. It may have inspired the US Navy's post-war Chance Vought F7U Cutlass - which was a developmental dead-end.

Adrian

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Panzerfaust Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 137	German Flying Saucers (Nazi UFOS) I am sure this topic has not been discussed before on this forum, seeing as i have searched for it using the keywords in the posting title. Near the end of World War 2 the Germans started to become desprate in searching for new ways to try to come back into the war. Himmler thought that Germany was going to recover because he misinterpretated one of Nostradamus's predictions. All in the while in october 1944 Hitler ordered the Luftwaffe to start comming up with new ideas for aircraft. They tried many wacky ideas for planes but the most intruiging of all the design plans was the design for a "flying saucer like" aircraft (later labeled with english after the americans won the war) More in depth details of this aircraft can be found in this PDF file http://www.cufon.org/cufon/Silverbug.pdf It is said that the aircraft was never actually built until after the war. America then started hiring german scientists to continue work on these saucers, known as "Project Silverbug". The US military was testing and flying UFO design aircraft in the 40's and 50's. They had as many as 35 saucer projects with vertical lift off and descent. The most highly classified was known by code name Silverbug. Near the end of WWII the allied forces had gained superiorty over the Germans. Or so it seemed. The Germans were looking for a superior craft. The SSE and Vril societies were building craft that looked like UFO's and were capable of vertical take-off's and landings because most of their runways had been destroyed. The project was headed by Dr. Richard Mehta, sometimes known as the 'Father of Saucerology'. He was hired by the German air force to build a saucer shaped craft that could vertically ascend and shoot down allied planes with rockets. Allegedly the war ended before Metha developed his ship. The American government recruited some of the German scientists after the war to go to Canada and continue their work. Dr. Metha was one of these men. He work on a secret aircraft project at AVROW Aeronautics in Canada. These were saucer type flying machines. These saucers were designed to 2300 miles per hour at an altitude of 80,000 feet. Though designed in 1955 the papers describing these design were not declassified until 1995. For over 40 year America's #1 top flying saucer project was top secret. In the 1950's in Canada Avro revealed the Avrocar to the public. In 1953 the Toronto Star reported on the development by Avro Canada of a disc-shaped VTOL (Vertical Takeoff and Landing) aircraft. In February it was officially announced that a mock-up of the craft, designed by British engineer John Frost and developed by the Malton, Ontario plant, had been made - and indeed, photographs exist of technicians smiling from its twin cockpits. The project of which the Avro-car was a part was originally known as Project Y, funded by Canada, but was taken over by the U.S. Air Force in late 1953 - early 1954, as their Project 606, with an interest by the US Army. It was hoped that the vehicle, designated VZ-9V, would ascend vertically and reach flight speeds of 1,500 mph (2,400 km/hr). The President of Avro Canada wrote in Aero News that the prototype being built was so revolutionary that it would make other designs obsolete. The craft was officially named the Avro-Car.By 1960 about 10 million dollars had been spent on the project. During tests, the aircraft could not rise more than four or five feet above the ground without becoming very unstable. Attempts were made to design mechanisms to increase its stability without success. It was hoped that the project would consolidate the future of the A.V. Roe company, but it was discontinued in 1961, and A.V. Roe went out of business. The prototype was placed in a military museum at Fort Eustis, Virginia. One view was that the failed project was simply window-dressing to cover tests of a captured alien flying disc. The Avro-Car was (depending on the source of the information) 18 or 25 feet in diameter, and weighed 3600 lb. It was powered by three centrally mounted gas turbine engines driving a 5 feet diam. central fan used for vertical takeoff. Once in the air the turbo-jet exhaust would be shifted to the rear giving the vehicle forward thrust to allow the aerodynamic body to generate lift. Sixty years later, we have other VTOL aircraft, including circular drones with a central propeller, undoubtedly mistaken for extraterrestrial aircraft on the occasion, but we still do not have a decent supersonic flying saucer of terrestrial origin. - from http://www.crystalinks.com/silverbug.html It is also known that the Nazis have sent ships to Antartica before as well: Search "Neuschwabenland" or "Nazi Antartica Bergmann" In your online Seach bars. 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23-02-2006, 11:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
Panzerfaust Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 137	They mentioned the German Saucers briefly on the History Channel when they were discussing the luftwaffe and the secret weapons of WW2. Other than a minute and a half video from the Sightings show on the Sci-Fi channel I cannot seem to find any documentaries on this subject, or videos that go into great detail. Think about this, if the war had been going on for about 2 more years, say. They could've had more time to make more of these. Thus, the allies would have been toast. Well, at least in the air. Some say Hitler faked his death, and sent artillery to a secret base in Antractica before hand, and then ran off to Argentina in a sub cutting through the Balitc sea, through the atlantic, then to argentina. Then he took a connecting voyage to Antarctica. All that is a little bit extreme if you ask me. The idea of a Fourth Reich in Antartica seems impossible. But I am positive the German Saucers were real. Last edited by Panzerfaust; 23-02-2006 at 11:24 PM.

24-02-2006, 11:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
Gnomey Per Ardua Ad Astra Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 1,725	Interesting stuff Panzerfaust, thanks for posting that. __________________ "Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few" Sir Winston Chuchill, Summer 1940 "To him the people of Britain and the free world owe largely the way of life they enjoy today" Ensciption on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-1940) Statue in London Moderator: Aircraft of World War 2 Forum - A Warbird Forum

24-02-2006, 11:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
Panzerfaust Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 137	There's actually a CIA document on the CIA's website regarding Hitler in Argentina. Here's an article regaurding his escape: http://www.rense.com/general54/1960.htm I highly doubt he actually escaped though. Back to the saucers, I have obtained more information. Hitler's obsession with the occult and astrology is well known - but evidence that his aerospace and rocket scientists were plundering alien technology to build Nazi UFOs has never gripped the public imagination. Maurizio Verga's tantalising web pages reveal Werner von Braun and the Luftwaffe design teams could have been guided by extraterrestrials, perhaps looting interstellar components from a crashed spaceship. Rumours of the Third Reich's underground bases first surfaced in the late Forties, coinciding with the birth of UFO sightings. America's Operation Paperclip was at full throttle, with the FBI smuggling Nazi war criminals into America to take advantage of their scientific expertise. Former Nazis gave America the space race edge, and von Braun's career followed a smooth flightpath from pilotless V2 rockets to Apollo 11 and the first manned moon landing. Verga believes the Luftwaffe developed a flying disc, in the classic saucer shape, which flew at Prague on February 14, 1945. His photographic evidence is almost certainly faked by Fifties sci-fi fans. Visit his site to enjoy the artist's impressions, which are a glorious delight. It may not be a coincidence that Americans began sighting flying saucers within three years of the alleged Prague test-flight and von Braun's escape to America. Countless UFO reports of the early Eighties turned out to be sightings of America's Stealth Bombers. Is it possible that the US Air Force did develop Nazi technology to build a fleet of saucers 50 years ago, producng the first wave of Unidentified Flying Objects? And if those spacecraft were for real, the chilling question remains: what are the menacing objects reported nightly in Nineties skies? - from UFO Folklore Center The Ho-IX Maximum Speed 600+ mph To understand why the Germans didn't use rocket/jet/saucer technology to wil the war we must first understand the nature of Hitler's plans for transforming Germany into a world power. Most nations will examine their own past and copy those successful policies in their past to achieve a success outcome of their contempory foreign policies. This was true of Hitler and the Third Reich. Hitler looked to the policies Bismarck used to unite Germany under Prussian leadership and transform Germany into a major European power in the 19th century. Bismarck achieved his goals by a series of short, localized, little wars against Denmarck (1864), Austria (1866) and France (1870-71). Hitler also hoped to transform Germany into a world power through a series of short, localized, little wars, against Czechoslovakia in 1938, Poland in 1939 and against the Soviet union some time between 1941 to 1943. But things didn't exactly turn out the why he hoped they would. Hitler was able to dismember Czechoslovakia through peaceful means, though he would have prefered a short, localized war. He did not believe that Britain and France would come to the Czechs' defense any more than they were will to stop Germany from occupying the Rhineland in 1936, and Austria in 1938, or stop Italy from invading Ethopia in 1935, or intervene in the Spanish civil war in 1936 or stop Japan's invasion of China in 1931 and again in 1937. Hitler hoped to defeat the Czechs and than proceed to his next short, localized, little war against Poland. Hitler believed that the British and the French would never go to war to defend Poland without the aid of the Soviet Union. That is why he signed the non-agressiob pact with the Soviets. Without the Soviets to aid them, Hitler believed the British and the French would not attack Germany in the west, which they did not. Germany defeated and partitioned Poland with the Soviets in four weeks. Hitler hoped the Allies would agree to an armistise. He actually offered generous peace terms, including an alliance to defend the British Empire in Oct. 1939, and again, after the defeat of the French in June of 1940. Hitler even began to demobilize his armies after the defeat of France in the summer of 1940. He never expected the British to continue to resist him by themselves. What does all this have to do with rocket/jet/saucer technology? That fact is, the Germans were conducting research into rocket/jet/saucer technolgy throughout the 1930s and even flew the first jets in 1937. But why didn't they use this technology to win the war? Because Hitler never planned a WORLD WAR. Again! He hoped to achieve his goals through a series of short, localized, little wars. He remembered what happened to Germany in the First World War. Germany went on a total war footing from the outset of the war. This created terribel hardships on the civilian population and resulted in a revolution in 1918, resulting in the defeat of Germany. Hitler hoped to avoid this and never transformed German's industries into a total war footing until mid-way through 1942, after Germany found itself in a world war with the United States, the Soviet Union and the British Empire. By this time it was late. Hitler never believed he would need rocket/jet/saucer technology. Germany only began any serious attempt to develop these technologies in 1942. As a result, Germany was never able to utilize rocket, jest and saucer in any effective way to turn the tide of the war. The V2/A4 rocket was never manufactured in any great numbers, and those they were able to use were used for strategic purposes (bombing cities) rather than what would have been more effective tactical purposes, (used against Allied armies in the field). The Germany were only able to build a little more than six hundred jets in late 1944 and early 1945, and very few of them were ever able to get off the ground. This was because German industries were being bombed around the clock by Allied bombers and Germany was being overrunned by Allied armies. The simple truth was that the fable Nazi efficiency was a myth. The Nazis never planned a world war and when they were faced with one, they were unable to take the proper steps to transform Germany onto a total war footing until it was to late. This is the reason why they were never able to develop and use technologies regard rockets, jets and flying saucers to their benefit. __________________ "Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning." -Erwin Rommel

24-02-2006, 12:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
plant-pilot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 958	I don't hold any faith in the "Nazi flying saucers" idea. Most pictures are either fantasyful artists impressions or pictures of models or design theory rigs. This is a long way from having anything actualy close to flying. In fact the one impressive photo, if authentic... ...shows a conventional propeller driven aircraft with a single circular aerofoil rather than two individual wings. Novel, but a long way from a 'spinning' or 'hovering' 'flying saucer' type craft. I would in no way take that away from the technical advances they did make in rocketry, jet aircraft design and helicopter development, sometimes in very difficult circumstances and with limited resources. No, for me it's just a case of seeing that they had made advances in technology and deciding that they must have gone further even if we knew nothing about it. I would say that for me to change my mind I'd have to see some really convincing photographic or film evidence of full size saucer type craft in flight under human control, otherwise it's just another one of those 'stories'. __________________ M3... the ship of the desert 2003

23-02-2006, 10:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wise1 There We Are Then Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,401	Interesting stuff, thanks for that, I just looked at my old video collection and I do have a video on this subject must watch it.

24-02-2006, 09:25 AM	#4 (permalink)
Kitty Very Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,594	I thought Hitler worked down the chipshop with Elvis?

24-02-2006, 09:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newark, NJ, and Christchurch, NZ Posts: 2,113	Flying Saucers are filling the skies.... Actually, Hitler was not obsessed with astrology or the occult, but Himmler, Hess, and to a lesser extent, Goebbels, were. A lot of the Nazi expeditions to Tibet, the Antarctic, and other subjects of Ernst Zundel's modern obsessions were the production of Himmler's file-clerk brain. When Hess flew to England, a furious Hitler ordered Germany's psychics, tarot card readers, astrologers, and other seers arrested and sent to concentration camps. The Gestapo swooped, and all were hauled off. Goebbels noted in his diary that all of them were taken by surprise: none of them had predicted they would be arrested and jailed. "A poor advertisement for their profession!" the little doctor wrote. But in April 1945, he used horoscopes to cheer up Hitler, knowing that the increasingly desperate and demented Fuehrer would clutch at any straw. He also had his newspaper staff write horoscopes that talked about "passing through dark valleys and into sunlight," thinking German readers would believe that, if nothing else, in his propaganda newspapers. "One is just half of old snakes' eyes, "Flying saucers are filling the skies. "The trey is followed by Little Joe, "Anti-gravity makes them go." -- The Space Child's Mother Goose __________________ "My intensity is intense." -- Roger Clemens "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -- Winston Churchill. "I am not a hero. The heroes are all dead. I am a survivor." -- Sgt. William Guarnere, Easy Company, 506th Parachute Regiment, 101st Airborne Division. Check out my little contributions to World War II history at my web pages: World War II Plus 55 or http://davidhlippman.wildbillguarnere.com

25-02-2006, 01:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
adrian roberts Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NW Kent, England Posts: 640	What advantage would a saucer shaped aircraft have over a conventional one, anyway? There is no aerodynamic reason why it would fly faster. It would be no more manouverable. It could be made to rotate and point in a different direction very quickly due to having no tail to stabilise it, but how could it be made to stop rotating? The crew would become extremely giddy and the basic laws of motion would mean that it would be no easier to actually make it move in a different direction. Control and stability would require a modern computerised fly-by-wire system. The circular plane shown in the photograph is very small, very slow judging by the fixed undercarriage, and is a lifting-body type, or more likely a flying wing type, not a true saucer. It may have inspired the US Navy's post-war Chance Vought F7U Cutlass - which was a developmental dead-end. Adrian __________________ for heathen heart that puts its trust in reeking tube and iron shard all valiant dust that builds on dust and guarding, calls not thee to guard thy mercy on thy people, Lord (Kipling)

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