Seine Crossing, Vernon. 1944 & 2007. - Page 2

Gotthard Heinrici · 07-09-2007, 12:59 PM

http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/ahu...n_markings.htm

http://www.fireandfury.com/britinfo/divmarkings.pdf

Sapper,
Have a look at the above links
I'm no expert on these matters but is it not the case that all Inf divs had the same TAC signs for units?? I always thought it was just the units that were different.

I could be wrong and if I am I of course stand corrected!

Paul Reed · 07-09-2007, 06:54 PM

Some really nice Then & Nows here Owen - great stuff!

sapper · 07-09-2007, 07:18 PM

Thats pretty plain Gotthart.
I stand corrected mate. you are right, Odd that, I never came across the same numbers in all my time over in Europe.
Cheers and thanks
Sapper

Owen · 08-09-2007, 10:03 AM

Brian
Can you tell us more about Les Andelys?
Any memories of being there?

sapper · 08-09-2007, 11:03 AM

Yes there is one thing that stands out in my memory. It was a group of Jewish service mens graves in the vicinity of the river. All grouped together with the star of David. But they were like the British CWG headstones. They looked new.,But how could they have been put there so quickly?? It never made sense.

It always puzzled me...Who? Where? and Why? these Jewish graves in that area? What took place there? It is one of many mysterious events and puzzles that came my way.
WE were at saint Andeleys for a little while. Regrouping replacing and reinforcing.
Sapper

Paul Reed · 08-09-2007, 12:04 PM

Brian - they might have been WW1 graves. There were British troops billeted or based in this area in WW1, and some small hospitals between the Seine and Rouen.

sapper · 08-09-2007, 12:21 PM

Hi Paul I never thought of that. The reason? They had obviously been kept very clean.. You must be right about WW1 for there would not have been time to get the headstones. Impossible!
Odd that they had been kept in such a clean and tidy condition, I am not sure, but I think it was only three graves.

I remember spending a moment or two for them, and tapping the headstone with my hand, daft really. But there you go. the graves were only a short distance from the banks of the Seine. Thing about it is, they looked so odd there all on their own.
Cheers
sapper

Paul Reed · 08-09-2007, 01:38 PM

I will see if I can work out where this was as I have details of all WW1 cemeteries. I presume this was at the place where 3rd Div crossed the Seine?

sapper · 08-09-2007, 02:23 PM

It was not a cemetary Paul, just a small group of graves. not in any enclosure. no sign of anything esle bar these graves. All on their own beneath the bank of the Seine.
I know it sounds daft, but there is nothing wrong with my memory, I can see quite clearly that group of headstones as sharp as today.
In fact it was the oddity of seeing graves like that that made the memory so clear.
Cheers
sapper

Owen · 08-09-2007, 05:14 PM

Could they have been 1940 burials?
Or they may have even been 1944 US casualties as the Americans cleared the Seine northwards towards Rouen before the British got there.

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Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,699	http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/ahu...n_markings.htm http://www.fireandfury.com/britinfo/divmarkings.pdf Sapper, Have a look at the above links I'm no expert on these matters but is it not the case that all Inf divs had the same TAC signs for units?? I always thought it was just the units that were different. I could be wrong and if I am I of course stand corrected! <!-- / message --><!-- sig --> __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

07-09-2007, 06:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
Paul Reed Ubique Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK/France Posts: 3,142	Some really nice Then & Nows here Owen - great stuff! __________________ The WW2 Society: Remembering those from Britain & The Commonwealth who served 1939-45 - http://www.battlefieldsww2.50megs.com/ww2_society.htm

08-09-2007, 12:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
Paul Reed Ubique Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK/France Posts: 3,142	Brian - they might have been WW1 graves. There were British troops billeted or based in this area in WW1, and some small hospitals between the Seine and Rouen. __________________ The WW2 Society: Remembering those from Britain & The Commonwealth who served 1939-45 - http://www.battlefieldsww2.50megs.com/ww2_society.htm

08-09-2007, 01:38 PM	#18 (permalink)
Paul Reed Ubique Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK/France Posts: 3,142	I will see if I can work out where this was as I have details of all WW1 cemeteries. I presume this was at the place where 3rd Div crossed the Seine? __________________ The WW2 Society: Remembering those from Britain & The Commonwealth who served 1939-45 - http://www.battlefieldsww2.50megs.com/ww2_society.htm

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07-09-2007, 07:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,490	Thats pretty plain Gotthart. I stand corrected mate. you are right, Odd that, I never came across the same numbers in all my time over in Europe. Cheers and thanks Sapper

08-09-2007, 10:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 9,065	Brian Can you tell us more about Les Andelys? Any memories of being there?

08-09-2007, 11:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,490	Yes there is one thing that stands out in my memory. It was a group of Jewish service mens graves in the vicinity of the river. All grouped together with the star of David. But they were like the British CWG headstones. They looked new.,But how could they have been put there so quickly?? It never made sense. It always puzzled me...Who? Where? and Why? these Jewish graves in that area? What took place there? It is one of many mysterious events and puzzles that came my way. WE were at saint Andeleys for a little while. Regrouping replacing and reinforcing. Sapper

08-09-2007, 12:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,490	Hi Paul I never thought of that. The reason? They had obviously been kept very clean.. You must be right about WW1 for there would not have been time to get the headstones. Impossible! Odd that they had been kept in such a clean and tidy condition, I am not sure, but I think it was only three graves. I remember spending a moment or two for them, and tapping the headstone with my hand, daft really. But there you go. the graves were only a short distance from the banks of the Seine. Thing about it is, they looked so odd there all on their own. Cheers sapper

08-09-2007, 02:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,490	It was not a cemetary Paul, just a small group of graves. not in any enclosure. no sign of anything esle bar these graves. All on their own beneath the bank of the Seine. I know it sounds daft, but there is nothing wrong with my memory, I can see quite clearly that group of headstones as sharp as today. In fact it was the oddity of seeing graves like that that made the memory so clear. Cheers sapper

08-09-2007, 05:14 PM	#20 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 9,065	Could they have been 1940 burials? Or they may have even been 1944 US casualties as the Americans cleared the Seine northwards towards Rouen before the British got there.

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