Great Grandad Prisoner of War in Japan

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  1. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Casualty
    Gunner
    LAMBOURNE, WILLIAM ERNEST
    Service Number 1519899
    Died 08/07/1943
    Aged 37
    89 Bty., 35 Lt. A.A. Regt.
    Royal Artillery
    Son of William Thomas Lambourne and Mary Lambourne; husband of Doris Grace Lambourne, of St. Ebbe, Oxford.

    This negates the need to supply a death certificate - unless they have changed the forms again !!

    TD
     
  2. Emma Squibb

    Emma Squibb Well-Known Member

    My Nan has a brother who she doesn’t get on with, do you think they’ll need his permission too?
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    No I've sent off for service for a chap who was killed in the war that was no relation.
     
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  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    the form says this...i. A copy of the death certificate of the person whose record you seek.
     
  5. Emma Squibb

    Emma Squibb Well-Known Member

    It says a copy of the death certificate if he or she died following discharge from the service.
    Because he died while in service would that mean they wouldn’t need it?
     
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I was quoting from these forms.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...545054/request_service_details_NOK_pt1_v6.pdf
    iii. A copy of the death certificate of the person whose record you seek.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa..._service_details_general_enquirers_pt1_v6.pdf
    i. A copy of the death certificate of the person whose record you seek.
     
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  7. Emma Squibb

    Emma Squibb Well-Known Member

    Someone has also kindly informed me that his dog tags were found under Osaka castle in 2000 but the wearabouts now are unknown. Does anyone else know any more about this?
    Thanks

    Osaka Castle | COFEPOW
     
  8. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Best of luck with your search for those tags . :)
    [​IMG]

    Kyle
     
  9. Emma Squibb

    Emma Squibb Well-Known Member

    I really want to know where they are now!
     
  10. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

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  11. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Crikey!! Your thread has moved on a wee bit since I last looked Emma. Well done to all who have contributed.
     
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  12. Emma Squibb

    Emma Squibb Well-Known Member

    I know, I’m a bit addicted at all this research now! Amazed at what’s been shared and how helpful you all are! Only came across this forum by accident, thanks everyone!
    Now to try and find more about these dog tags found under Osaka castle!
     
  13. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    If you find anything re Osaka Castle you can add to all our education - its how generally this site works, we all have expertise in certain areas and its bringing it all together in threads like this that makes this site what it is

    TD
     
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  14. Emma Squibb

    Emma Squibb Well-Known Member

    I definitely will. When I get a photo of my GG tomorrow where would be the best place to share this so people who may be interested can see it?
     
  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    start an album in the Gallery , good place for you to keep images related to your search too.
    you can link from there to your threads.
     
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  16. Emma Squibb

    Emma Squibb Well-Known Member

    The Thailand Burma Railway replied. A lot of the info was what you have all kindly sent me or linked, just this as an extra. It says he was originally buried at Motoyama public Cemetary, would this have been when he first died. The other document attached shows he was buried 3 years after dying then reburied 6 months later. Just trying to work out where he might have been for those first 3 years
     

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  17. Emma Squibb

    Emma Squibb Well-Known Member

    :)
     

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  18. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    As regards his Service Records, there is a contact telephone number so you could call and explain the situation.
    After so long, and his death being documented in some detail here, plus the dogtags they should be fairly reasonable about you or your Mum applying after explaining your family connection to him.

    I'd rather suggest you enquire of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission as to the burial procedures.
    Bear in mind that the Japanese regarded surrender as beneath contempt, hence their treatment of men who "accepted shame rather than death" in their eyes. (Notwithstanding that they obeyed their Commanding Officer order to surrender en masse, not as individuals).
    The Japanese also were accustomed to cremation of their dead and this frequently included PoW deaths.
    You'll note references to "wall niche" and "urn", so it may be transferring a casket from one place to another until buried in Yokohama.

    I'm simply cautioning you about what MIGHT have happened, not what DID happen, which is why I suggest you ask the CWGC, if it's really important to have this information.
     
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  19. Emma Squibb

    Emma Squibb Well-Known Member

    Thanks,
    Im at my Nans at the moment and she’s keen to have them; she didn’t realise she could so she’s happy to sign anything. I’ll call them to make sure I sent all the correct bits.

    We don’t really need to know I was just curious really , might be better not knowing I guess.

    I’ll get on to sorting the records today though. Thanks again.
     
  20. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Motoyama is right next to Ube so would have been original burial ground, his remains would have been there for three years until being moved to Yokohama. I'm almost certain that the burial and reburial six months apart would refer to movement within Yokohama. I'm wondering whether in all this we are talking about cremation and ashes. Cremation was very common in Japan. Concentration Reports on CWGC entry mentions Urns. (Emma if you haven't seen them go to TD's link in Post 41 and scroll to bottom of page).

    Tim
     
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