Drew. I think you previously posted you have such a roll? If I did not mis understand can you advise if service man J. Jones , service # 7880938 isi listed. Thank you
O first, thank you for checking Drew. Second this is a bit weird.I have him s sequently reported as not missing.. He shows up yet again as reported as not missing.I am interested because if this is J. Or James Jones, b1918 in Lancaster it might fit with a story his kids remember him telling them of being trapped or surrounded but “ his troop mates came back to get him and his pals. Seems to fit with the confused fighting with the Germans which 4 RTR encountered. The man I am looking for went out to the Western Desert and ended up in 2RTR when it shipped out to Burma. There is an entry in the 2 RTR war diary that it was reinforced with a draft of 65 officers and or from 4 RTR on 10 Jan 1942. We have had two go around with GlSgow. First time received the records of an unknown person. Second time were told thecould not find him. Any advice gratefully received.
7880938 His number is listed on here first initial will be I not J. Annex F – Roll of Honour World War II Jones Idris 7880938 Cpl 4RTR Middle East 06 December 1941 Listed on CWGC. Casualty Has to be a different chap to the one you are looking for so forget that number . .. Did you get given Idris's records if you gave them that number ?
UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945 Name: Idris Jones Given Initials: I Rank: Corporal Death Date: 6 Dec 1941 Number: 7880938 Birth Place: Birkenhead Residence: Chester Regiment at Enlistment: Royal Tank Regiment RAC Branch at Enlistment: Royal Armoured Corps Theatre of War: Middle East Regiment at Death: Royal Tank Regiment RAC Branch at Death: Royal Armoured Corps TD
I am going to apologize upfront here Please bear with me..I have used conjecture to try to account for a series of disparate facts about the service of J.Jones or James Jones Service in the RTR in WW2.He was may late brother in law, married to my sister Marie Davey in Morecambe in 1947.My family emigrated to Canada, including this couple and their two children in the period 1951-1955. I knew my brother in law only reasonably well. He was a kind decent man, wonderful to my sister and his eventual three children. But he was taciturn, and shared little..The one thing he was not shy about was his pride in serving in the RTR. He wore a bespoke RTR embossed blaze rand full regimental accoutrements. We still have those pieces. In late 2017 his son Tony Jones called me to say he had terminal cancer. He asked me to trry and help him recover information on his Dads service records. Unfortunately.he died earlier this year. His sister asked me to keep going bur she sent the applications to Glasgow. I did not see what she sent or what they replied.Here is what I do know. His family says he tod them he was evacuated from Dunkirk. They also says he referred to himself as one of the Desert Rats. He said that he fought in Western Desert engagements. He told them, and we know this to be true that he fought in Burma in the 7th Armoured Brigade. The Retreat. My sister told me that she spent many crazed night with him after their marriage. He had contracted Malaria and had serial nightmare screaming about encounters with the Japanese. He told his family he walked out of Burma with a small group of comrades and that, by chance they stumbles into a Salvation Army out post in Assam which cared for lepers. My research besides reading, writing to Bovington, reading the War Diary of 2RTR, has relied on the reports of casualties registers. Using them I have tries to match events and places where, as I know it, J Jones served. That is how I came up with service # 798831 I reasoned that if he was in the RTR in France in 1940 he might be n the register for 4 RTR. Clearly I am wrong, For sending you al n a wild goose chase I apologize again. I really want to find Mr. Jones. He was a brave soldier and suffered a great deal in later life from injuries and ailments due to his service, If there is anything you can do to help me achieve that objective I would be most grateful. I will send you and additional file on my research ,.
There appears to be only 1 marriage record for a Marie Davey in 1947 England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Marie A Davey Registration Date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1947 Registration district: Lower Agbrigg Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Spouse: Raw Volume Number: 2c Page Number: 888 and that shows the spouse as Name: Harold Raw Registration Date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1947 Registration district: Lower Agbrigg Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Spouse: Davey Or Walker Volume Number: 2c Page Number: 888 Perhaps you mean another Miss Davey with a forename Mary England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Mary J Davey Registration Date: Jul-Aug-Sep 1947 Registration district: Lancaster Inferred County: Lancashire Spouse: James Jones Volume Number: 10c Page Number: 1551 It might be a good idea to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate as it should show some details of James Jones that may help trace him Please be very careful in future that you spell the names of people correctly TD
I hesitate to start checking Immigration databases of passenger lists until more concrete details are provided like dates of birth (available from marriage certificates) TD
You are correct. Her given name was Mary Jefferson Davey, born Barrow in Furness 1925. I add this not for sympathy but so you know who you are dealing with. I am 79 and not as nimble, in all respect ,as I once was.
England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007 Name: Mary J Davey Registration Date: 1926 Registration district: Barrow in Furness Inferred County: Cumbria Re-registration Year: 1926 Mother's Maiden Name: Jefferson Volume Number: 8e Page Number: 1069 Canada, Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current Name: Mary Jefferson Jones Maiden Name: Davey Birth Date: 1925 Death Date: 16 Jan 2011 Death Place: Ontario, Canada Cemetery: Resurrection Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Sarnia, Lambton County, Ontario, Canada Has Bio?: Y https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/64346238 TD
Owen What details are there of him on the headstone ?? Or grab a copy of the marriage certificate so you will know his age and hence an approximate year of birth TD
I know that .Born, Lancaster, Lancashire December 1918. Father George Jones, mother maiden name Darwen. Lived on China Street Lancaster, Head stone just gives name DOB/DOD. I sent 3 JPEG files on my research to the site. Did not know how to drag them to this thread.