Universal Carrier power train

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  1. Don Juan

    Don Juan Well-Known Member

    Can anyone confirm the source of the gearbox used in the Universal Carrier? Was it, for example a Ford or Fordson?

    Also, am I right to think that the engine was a Ford 79F-6000?

    Thanks in advance...
     
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  2. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Wiki says '79' was postwar.

    Postwar, it became the V8-69 (suffixed "A" in Fords, "M" in Mercurys), with compression 6.75:1, 100 hp (75 kW), and 180 lb⋅ft (244 N⋅m).[18] For 1947 and 1948, only the designation changed, to V8-79 and -89.

    Ford flathead V8 engine - Wikipedia
     
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  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Mr Watson's basic chart of Engines.
    (Sorry about potato quality. Happy to scan things if needed.)

    IMG_20210622_173545309.jpg
     
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  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    As I'm sure you know, the excellent Watson books aren't your style of books, so detail on Gearboxes proving trickier.
    Maybe buried in the drawing set. Not quite sure I can face them yet so hopefully someone will potter along with something certain. In the meantime will see if I can spot in the un-indexed text. (Unless engine numbers indicate a particular box...).
     
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  6. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

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  7. Don Juan

    Don Juan Well-Known Member

    Thanks everyone. If the Loyd carrier used a Ford gearbox, this increases the likelihood that the Universal did as well, I think.
     
  8. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Oddly the "instruction book" from 1940 doesn't say, I can have a look in the "Service Instructions" book for the various carriers but I need to find it first - its not where I expected
     
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  9. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    I might be able to save you the search, but sadly not answer the question. I have a PDF copy of the Carriers...Service Instruction Book from MLRS Books, and also a PDF of the Operator's Manual, Carrier, Universal, No.2, MkII (which was a download from a Canadian archive site I think). Neither offers any names of manufacturers for the engine, transmission, gearbox, or any parts at all really.

    Gary
     
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  10. Don Juan

    Don Juan Well-Known Member

    Gary & AB64 - does the Service Instruction book include diagrams of the engine and gearbox?

    I have managed to track down some info that confirms that the gearbox was indeed made by Ford, as below:

    UC1.jpg

    The reason I'm asking these questions is that I am trying to ascertain whether the Universal Carrier used the same powertrain (engine + gearbox) as the A11 Infantry Tank Mk.I. This latter machine had a Fordson Type 68-7204 gearbox, and I'm wondering if the Universal's gearbox is of the same basic design.
     
  11. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Any use? I'm struggling to find the Service Instruction which is odd as its quite a bit bigger than most manuals

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  12. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Found it - there is also "care and maintenance of carriers" but its a small manual so hard to find and unlikely to have much detail

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  13. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    This does not answer the question about the gearbox, but it gives very interesting insights into the experiences of owners of such > ahem< crates
    A question to all Carrier owners
     
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  14. Gary Kennedy

    Gary Kennedy Member

    vP was on the right lines re drawings, this sketch gives details for the 3-in mortar version (from Bovington).

    Also, a ref in another one of the set to the engine - CIA (Tanks) 8877 engine and gear box (Ford 79 engine) - I have seen coincidentally seen CIA in a few documents recently, anyone know what it means in this context?

    Gary
     

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  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Often surprising, isn't it.
    I confidently reached for Watson before realising those (frankly brilliant) books are a 'History of the Carrier' rather than a deep technical/development history.
    Fletcher's Osprey no use either, nor the old classic 'Making Tracks'.

    Anyone might think there was a gap in the market for an exhaustively nerdish detailed history of carriers' technical/political/institutional/documentary development.
    Eh?
    Eh?

    I'll stop now.
     
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  16. Don Juan

    Don Juan Well-Known Member

    Thanks everyone for info! It is very much appreciated.
    As I'm not all that young, I think this will depend on reincarnation being a real thing, tbh.
     
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  17. Trackfrower

    Trackfrower Member

    If you have never driven or had a ride on a carrier, you MUST have a go!
     
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  18. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

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  19. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    The Carrier had a 'power train?' And here I always assumed it was a hamster on a wheel.
     
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  20. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    from various restoration projects....seems to be always the same?
    Bren gun carrier GB.jpg Bren gun carrier GD.jpg Bren gun carrier GE.jpg

    interesting page with restauration projects and many, many detail pictures:
    The Carrier Forum - MLU FORUM
     
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