What is this number for please?

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by Shazbaz, Apr 15, 2024.

  1. Shazbaz

    Shazbaz Patron Patron

    Hello
    I’ve been looking at this record and from looking at other national registration numbers this number marked in yellow seems too long to be a national registration number, could anyone tell me what the number is please?
    Thank you ☺️
     

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  2. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    1195128.

    Not sure it will take you anywhere though.
     
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  3. Shazbaz

    Shazbaz Patron Patron

    Sorry David
    My fault for the badly worded question, I can see what the number says but I meant does anyone know what the number is for as it doesn’t seem to be a National registration number.
    Thank you for your help though ☺️
     
  4. bofors

    bofors Senior Member

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  5. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    Some national registration card numbers for those in Class B (aged 16-21) did have three extra digits but I can't match easily a quarter number in the number you give, what was his dob ?

    Class B
    Additionally, all class code 'B' cards were followed by three numbers. The first two indicated the year in which the holder was born whilst the third indicated which quarter of the year the holder was born in. For example, B. 252 would show that the holder was born in the second quarter of 1925 and would also indicate to a polling clerk that the holder would attain adult status in the second quarter of 1946 (i.e. reach the age of 21).

    National Registration Act 1939 - Wikipedia

    Travers
     
  6. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Part written before the 2 posts above.
    I think that you will find this relates back to the National Registration process that recorded every person and issued a unique registration number to every civilian similar to that issued to those serving in the forces, this was used as the basis for identity cards, rationing, conscription etc.

    Some National Registration Identity Cards have a number in the format ABDC/123.1, this relates to the 1939 Register Enumeration District letter code followed by the schedule number and identifies an individual. Example in post #4.

    However my father's number on his card follows a different format, CLA/5053204, this would appear to be similar to that in your example. The first part, redacted in your case, was a three letter code that identified the district, the number was presumably unique to the individual.

    The question is why the difference. The only explanation I can offer is that my father's identity card was issued by the National Registration Office on 16 Feb 1946 that happens to be a few days following his return to the UK following his release. I therefore assume that he re-registered on leaving the army when his service number 'ran out'.
     
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  7. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    Reflecting on your example Tony, I have found another.

    The image shows his number on a card issued October 1945 as CMA 3146883. The card was issued in October 1945 so could be a new number on demob or maybe a separate number issued while he was in the forces which he carried over to civilian life.

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    CS Militaria

    His original national identity number from the 1939 register was CMAZ/182.1 with a birth date of 17th September 1913.

    Travers
     
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  8. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    An example of the National Registration Identity Card issued postwar to civilians. I think the source for these cards was the September 1939 Registration which the entries are in the public domain only after death or when an individual has reached 100 years old. The registration covered civilians. Those in military service would have their own identities registered and ID documentation issued to them.

    I have a Class Code B National Registration Identity Card issued to me on 9 November 1951 numbered with the prefix KPFB followed by 2 separate digits and a separate single digit. The card has also what appears to be a dedicated number with the prefix HK followed by 6 digits

    Regarding my card, the 2 separate digits have no bearing to my birth year and the single digit has no bearing to the year quarter I was born.
     
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  9. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

    My father's National Registration Identity Card bears the number DDA 3178178. This was issued in Essex in December 1945 when he left the Army. He was not on the 1939 Registration as he had been mobilized.
     
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  10. Shazbaz

    Shazbaz Patron Patron

    Thanks for your response Travers
    My grandads DOB was 22/07/1925 so his number doesn't seem to relate to his birthday but maybe like the other posters say it could be the number he was given when he left the army as I came across it on his raf records that I got from MOD so maybe that's why it doesn't tie in to his dob.
    I wonder if this number can be used somehow to on some register somewhere find out more about our family members
     
  11. Shazbaz

    Shazbaz Patron Patron

    I think this is the most likely reason why my grandads number doesn't contain his year of birth “1925” he left the raf in Nov 1943 after joining up in May with a false DOB.… not sure until I receive his records for his service with TNA where he went from there because at some point he was a Bevin boy but was back in the forces in the rasc by 1946 at the latest so it's a bit of a mystery how he got out of being a Bevin boy and back into the services as from what I've read the Bevin boys didn't get released from their positions at the mines until 1948,
     

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