A & S Group numbers, L.G. number

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  1. RRTB

    RRTB 145 Fd Regt (Berkshire Yeomanry) RA

    Yet more questions about items on my father's service record!

    I've attached photographs; questions follow below them.
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    Both of the above pictures show A and S Gp and a number, either in shortened form A/S 42c or A and S Gp and prefix.....42c. I have found out elsewhere that this may stand for Age and Service Group, but my father was 28 when he left the army, not 42!
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    Dad was commissioned on 18 March 1944. The P.N. number 312469 was his regimental number with the 145 Fd Regt (Berkshire Yeomanry) RA, but I have no idea what the other number mentioned here - L.G. No. 3653(9)3 is all about. It seems to be dated over two months post his commission date; I had thought it might have been his Officer Cadet number but that would not make sense if the date is correct. Could someone shed some light on it for me please.

    Once again, thank you for your help.

    RRTB
     
  2. BFBSM

    BFBSM Very Senior Member

    The London Gazette No. 36533 is probably the issue which would detail your father's commission, and can be found here: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36533/data.pdf. The document is searchable.

    Mark
     
  3. RRTB

    RRTB 145 Fd Regt (Berkshire Yeomanry) RA

    Mark, this is brilliant! Thank you very much for that one. I have been trying to find that entry in the Gazette for a long time.

    Success! Found the entry, only not on the page number given on his record.

    RRTB
     
  4. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    RRTB, re the Age and Service Group number, I can't claim to understand how the system works but have seen a table giving A&S numbers for various age groups due to be released througout the year 1949.

    Incremental numbers were assigned based on year born and which month group the man was intended to be released in. These A&S numbers ranged from 63 to 97.

    63 being assigned to a man born in 1900 and to be released in Jan-Feb 1949 (I think that's what the table means anyway).

    The upshot being the A&S number did not appear to have an obvious correlation with a man's year of birth.

    Lee
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2016
  5. RRTB

    RRTB 145 Fd Regt (Berkshire Yeomanry) RA

    Thanks, Lee. Yes, I couldn't make head or tail of these things either, but I had only seen three of them from different folks' service records. I didn't realise there is actually a list out there.

    Weird that the numbers ranged from 63 to 97. Dad's is obviously 42 and I have seen a couple for 26, one of which actually tallied with the soldier's age.

    I happen to have just found a Wikipedia comment about Age and Service Group Numbers. Now I know that Wikipedia can be a little "interesting" when it comes to accuracy, but it says this:
    How you get 42 from age 28 and just over 4 years service I don't know!

    RRTB
     
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  6. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    Sorry I wasn't very clear, that number range was for those being demobbed in 1949. Those that went home sometime during 1946 to 1948 would have lower numbers.

    Length of service presumably was the major component in deciding how quickly someone was demobbed, e.g. those serving since 1939 get demobbed first with the oldest of those given priority.
     
  7. RRTB

    RRTB 145 Fd Regt (Berkshire Yeomanry) RA

    Ah, that makes sense. Dad was finally demobbed in December '46. Thanks for the clarification.
     

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