Holocaust Deniers - what I really don't understand:

Discussion in 'The Holocaust' started by von Poop, May 14, 2015.

  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Just Tom and the Bishop: not worth the candle.
    Tom's only a few weeks dead, and it's been stated many times what the bishop is, (though some of those threads were removed as it became one of the most poisonous topics this place ever endured.)

    The main theme of the thread - fill your boots.
     
  2. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Adam, I kind of get your point. Some threads that I'm not a ware of.. No good of the most poisonous topics. Good advice as usual.

    Thanks
    Stu. ;)
     
  3. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    m kenny, thank you for the link. When I get a chance, I'll have a read. Its a topic that I don't know much about. Naive I think.

    Thanks
    Stu.
     
  4. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Williamson attempted to cast doubt on anyone having died in gas chambers and attempted to say that revisionst "scholars" had conducted brilliant research which proved this.
    As far as 6 million people being gassed only a half wit like Williamson would claim that this claim had ever been made.
    Presently " revisionist scholars" have moved on to claim that there were no mass shootings in Russia and no mas graves other than those which hold the victims of Stalin have ever been found.
    The internet is their playground and Holocaust denial papges populate Facebook but "do not offend or violate their community values", so for the moment they are part of social media .
    The defeat of david irving was very damaging to their cause but that defeat is sideleined by them as irving refused to have " experts appear for him" and "David Irving is not a Holocaust Historian" - excuses are simply made up as and when required.
    I totally agree with what has been said - a parcel of cheerleaders who are led by individuals who are both articulate , educated and dangerous. The fact that they are quite deluded does not matter as their followers are both racist and neo nazis at heart who believe passionately or just repeat it like sheep that " we have been lied to", pseudo science and "expert evidence" is used to support what they have to say.
    The supporters of Ernst Zundel are now mostly in their 70's or 80's but a new generation of revisionists is up and coming and they continue to press this well presented house of cards sadly they are not going away and whilst they know they are not making any progress this will never be admitted as they know the truth and know that everything else is a lie.
    As a matter of interest a film called "Denial" about the Irving Libel fiasco is due out in the UK in January 17.

     
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  5. James S

    James S Very Senior Member



    Lipstadt's book is worh reading as is Professor Richard Evans's "Telling Lies About Hitler".



    Below an interview with R Weisz and D.Lipstadt, this in itself lends an insight but perhaps more telling is when you scroll down the " viewers comments- it says alot about "Who is denying the Holocaust".
     
  6. Staffsyeoman

    Staffsyeoman Member

    I am old enough to remember when David Irving was a respected historian. "The Mare's Nest" on the V-Weapons. "The Destruction of Convoy PQ17" (even though he was sued by Captain Jack Broome, and lost) "The Destruction of Dresden". "Hitler's War". "The War Path". But then the plot started, seriously, to be lost. Why cavil over numbers? Nazi industrialised murder - not just of Jews - is undeniable and inescapable. His last decent service as an historian? Cracking the dam that showed "The Hitler Diaries" were rubbish. But throwing his hat in with Holocaust deniers? Busted flush.
     
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  7. Margaret Ann

    Margaret Ann Junior Member

    I have been dealing with American Holocaust deniers on the American Yahoo Homepage for almost four years now. They can not be convinced that the Holocaust actually happened and accuse all believers of being Jewish. I do, however, object to you calling them septics. It was the Australians who began calling Americans "septics." You know, septic tanks....yanks.
     
  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Hello Margaret
    We realise that you cannot convince the deniers and its not worth the effort.
    I would say we have a bunch of experts on here who deal with them should they ever arise and they are found out and despatched quickly.
    The word septic is often used on here along with limey,jock,mick etc and is not a pointed insult to the relevant nation it is just used as a slang word.


    regards
    Clive
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    It's cockney rhyming slang, from London.
    I, and many others here, have used it for years, and will doubtless continue to do so.
    Just as Septics of our acquaintance will continue to use their own cheerful, friendly even, terms of light abuse without triggering even a smidgen of entirely unnecessary offence.

    Back on track; I'm always amused in my own little folder of hate-mail from St#rmfr*nters, and live nazis who've popped up here over the years how many seem incapable of spelling Jew.
    I'd have thought if you're going to set out to really hate a particular demographic, at least learn to spell it first... though as they've often also miss-spelled the connected F-ing and blinding wrong as well, I suppose I shouldn't hope for too much.
     
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  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    I would not be "too offended" with Australian or Cockney Rhyming slang. Most is said in good humour.
    The Australian examples for nearly every eventuality.

    Australian Slang about People Part 1

    Cheers
     
  11. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Re Irving the historian,now widely discredited as an historian

    .."The Destruction of Dresden" was an element of "you were as bad as we"
    ..an exaggeration of civilian casualties and reflected the political stance of the GDR, Irving's undisclosed sources from GDR witnesses, based on propaganda released by the Goebbels Propaganda Ministry... 135000 casualties,since rendered down to 100000 by Irving in later editions of his publications

    Also claimed was the accusation that the USAF had deliberately machined gunned civilians in the daylight raid that followed the RAF night... a claim that appears to have no foundation.

    The Dresden raid has always given leverage to the motivations of the neo Nazis and they have created their own bombing Holocaust from a claimed casualty figure of 500000 up to 1 million.

    Available in the background when Irving was working on his publication but seemingly ignored was the historical report of the Dresden police...A Final Report issued on 15 March 1945 which put the dead at 18375.

    Then in 2004 when right wing politicians were elected to office in Saxony and began to promote distorted claims,the Federal state commissioned military and history researchers to revisit the events of the raid.In 2008 researchers released their findings.

    Firebombing killed 25,000 in Dresden in 1945: German commission
     
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    If some people are denying this ever happened, then why is it that even the German government are investing in virtual reality to continue the prosecutions??

    Virtual reality to aid Auschwitz war trials of concentration camp guards - BBC News
    Now, 71 years later, that work continues through the Bavarian State criminal office (LKA) in Munich, that has created a virtual reality version of the Auschwitz concentration camp to assist with the continued prosecutions.

    TD
     
  13. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    I saw that very interesting news item concerning virtual reality.

    However as stated in the news item,too many of the those involved got away with it and escaped into the safety of "night and fog" chaos in the final defeat...the Middle East and South America providing seemingly safe havens....others,it since has transpired, managed to find refuge from the law in the lands of the western allies..
     
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  14. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Don't worry. They won't escape the Big Guy upstairs.
     
  15. Margaret Ann

    Margaret Ann Junior Member

    I have often made the observation when watching old black and white videos of captured concentration camp personnel whether they were speaking English or German to the camera man, how harsh and guttural they sounded. Another observation I have made is that the female camp guards, with the exception of a few, were downright ugly. Meanwhile, not too long ago on the American Yahoo Homepage, I was amused to find a British Holocaust denier who calls himself, Roger Ramsbottom. Another Brit came on the forum to vent and referred to him as, Roger Sheepsarse. Sorry, I couldn't help it.
     
  16. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Although it's his former-chum downstairs who'll probably be dealing with the gritty end of business.
     
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  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Zuckerberg in Holocaust denial row

     
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  18. jimbop

    jimbop Banned

    odds on david irving is a remoaner aswell.
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    And another thread closed because of needless Brexit mentions.

    This one will get cleaned & re-opened eventually, but until people accept that the inability of almost anyone (or at least a vocal minority) to show civility regarding that subject is costing the forum dear, we'll just keep closing 'em.

    In the Holocaust section, of all places...
    Read the forum heading here.

    "Area for discussion of things specifically relating to the Holocaust. No denialism, spam, or disrespect welcome."

    Edit: Ok, re-opened by request.
     
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  20. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Stallin's great-grandson, apparently.
    He seems nice...
    And as much into tortuous 'logic' as his ancestor was occasionally partial to.
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