1st Bn Herefordshire Regiment, KSLI

Discussion in 'NW Europe' started by smdarby, Jul 27, 2014.

  1. smdarby

    smdarby Well-Known Member

    I have a question. 1 Herefords was part of 159 Bde (11 AD) which also included 4 KSLI. The Herefords attacked across the Willems Canal at Someren, Netherlands on the evening of 21 September 1944. They suffered a number of casualties who are buried at Mierlo War Cemetery. However, the casualties are listed on the website under KSLI, with the Herefordshire Regiment only getting a secondary mention. The certificate for each casualty reads “1 Bn The Herefordshire Regiment, KSLI”. I don’t understand why this is so. Why wouldn’t the casualties be listed just as 1 Herefords, rather than suggesting the Herefords were part of KSLI?

    Any ideas.

    Thanks,

    Shaun
     
  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    The Herefords were TA & part of the KSLI.
    Confusing to explain properly.
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  4. Ubberley215

    Ubberley215 Member

    My uncle was killed 21/9/1944 at someron
     
  5. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Whats his name?
     
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  6. smdarby

    smdarby Well-Known Member

    This photo is from the IWM and shows the crossing point at Someren. I visited Someren and to be honest there isn't really much there to indicate where the photo was taken. There are now a lot of industrial buildings down by the canal. My guess is that the crossing took place just south of where the modern road bridge is now located, where the canal narrows. If you have a look on google maps it's where Kanaalstraat is. The photo seems to suggest this and it would have made sense to cross here.

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  7. Ubberley215

    Ubberley215 Member

    george(James) bickerton
     
  8. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

  9. ADL

    ADL New Member

    Recently received my late father's (Frank Alan Logan) Military Records from MoD. Found he was MID & received a Netherland's award, Order of Orange-Nassau for bridging the Bois duc Canal ( Zuid Willemsvaart) at Someren on the night of 21/22 September, 1944. File attached.

    Alan Logan
    Sydney - Australia
     

    Attached Files:

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  10. ADL

    ADL New Member

    Thanks Drew5233. I now need to do more research on my father's BEF experiences in 1940. I know he was evacuated from Dunkirk and arrived back in England on June 2nd. Also his time with No 4 Commando S.S.B and the Lofeten Islands raid, Operation Claymore in March 1941.
    Cheers,
    Alan
     
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  11. ADL

    ADL New Member

    Thanks also Tricky Dicky. I shall get round to up loading more of my dad’s MoD records in due course.
     
  12. Simon Browne

    Simon Browne New Member

    Hello - my uncle (Edward Mills) served with the 1st Battalion Herefordshire Regiment and was involved with the night crossing of 21st September 1944 at Someron (Zomeren). I have been to the town but sadly there is no mention of the town's liberation and the eventful action of that night. Regards - Simon
     
  13. Alan Fewtrell

    Alan Fewtrell Member

    I'm trying to find information about the war service of Private 4105866 Glyndwr (Glyndon) Thomas Palmer. All I know at present is that he is buried at Reichswald Forest War Cemetery, Germany.

    Private Glyndon Thomas Palmer | War Casualty Details 2040920 | CWGC
    PRIVATE GLYNDON THOMAS PALMER
    Service Number: 4105866
    Regiment & Unit/Ship: 1st Bn. The Herefordshire Regt., King's Shropshire Light Infantry

    Date of Death: 01 March 1945
    Age 29 years old
    Buried or commemorated at REICHSWALD FOREST WAR CEMETERY
    Grave Reference: 46. E. 10.
    Location: Germany
     
  14. ozzy16

    ozzy16 Well-Known Member

    Glyndon Thomas Palmer.
    Service no 4105866.
    1st Bn Herefordshire Regt, KSLI
    K. I. A. 1/3/1945, (British Army Casualty Lists 1939-1945).
    Birth year 1916.
    Birth Place Glamorgan.
    Residence Birmingham.

    Apply for his service record via this link

    .Get a copy of military service records

    regards......Graham.
     
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  15. Alan Fewtrell

    Alan Fewtrell Member

    Thanks Graham. First post wasn't clear, I was hoping for details of the battalions movements through the war as opposed to a specific war record,
     
  16. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Welcome to the forum. Unless you already have his service record the drawback in going solely down the War Diary route is that you can only be sure of his military activities at the very end of his service. He may have served in other units and could even have just arrived with KSLI a day or so before his death. There are many other facts in his service record to give you a rounded picture of his entire service.

    However if you just want sight of the KSLI War Diary and can’t make it to the UK National Archives yourself a couple of members offer a look up and copy service at much more favourable rates than NA would charge you. Drop forum member Drew Drew5233 or Lee PsyWar.Org a personal message to take it further.

    Good Luck

    Steve
     
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  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    An outline of the Bn in WW2 here.
    History
     
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  18. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    No point looking at the KSLI.
    He was in 1 Herefords.
    They were affliated to them .
    Casualty
    4105866
    Army Number Block Allocations
    Herefordshire Regiment 4103001 - 4114000
     
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  19. Pember

    Pember Junior Member

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  20. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Here is my summary of the Battalion:

    1st Battalion, The Herefordshire Regiment, The King’s Shropshire Light Infantry (T.A.)

    159th Infantry Brigade – 3 September 1939 to 31 August 1945
    The battalion was ordered to split on March 31st, 1939 to form the 2nd Herefordshire Regiment. During April, it reorganized with RHQ and ‘A’ Company at Hereford, ‘B’ Company at Kington with a platoon at Eardisley, ‘C’ Company at Leominster with a platoon at Weobley and ‘D’ Company also at Leominster with a platoon at Leintwardine. It embodied on September 1st, 1939. By September 2nd, the battalion and brigade were concentrated at Hereford. It moved to Tenby on November 8th and remained there until April 10th, 1940, when it went to Northern Ireland. It arrived at Portrush, Northern Ireland the next day and remained there until June 7th. It served at Larne until June 19th, at Castlewellan until May 9th, 1941 and at Newcastle until November 16th, 1941. On the latter date, the battalion left Northern Ireland for the United Kingdom.

    It returned to the Welsh border counties on November 18th, 1941 and was located at Crewe. It remained in the area training and on exercises until April 7th, 1942, when it left Crewe for Linton, Kent. It arrived on April 9th and remained there only until May 11th, when it moved to Maresfield, Sussex where the brigade and battalion joined the 11th Armoured Division as a lorried infantry brigade. It left for Weeting Hall Camp, Brandon in Suffolk on August 15th, 1942 and then to West Tofts Camp, Brandon in preparation for operations in North Africa. This moved was cancelled on January 30th and the battalion returned to training. It left West Tofts Camp on March 16th, 1943 and moved to New Market, where it stayed through June 10th.

    The 11th Armoured Division then moved to the East Riding of York and the battalion was located at Hornsea until September 3rd. It moved to Leven to train briefly until September 23rd, when it returned to Hornsea. It continued to train and do exercises based at Hornsea until April 2nd, 1944, when the division moved to Aldershot to concentrate for operations in France. It moved to the marshalling area at Hayward’s Heath on June 8th and embarked at Newhaven on June 13th.

    The battalion landed at Normandy on June 14th for operations in Northwest Europe with the 11th Armoured Division. On VE day, the battalion was located at Bad Segeberg near Lubeck. It moved to Flensburg on May 23rd, 1945 to participate in the round up of the Donitz government and remained there for the rest of the war.
     
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