12 Hamps & BNAF

Discussion in 'North Africa & the Med' started by Can953, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. Can953

    Can953 Junior Member

    I am trying to aquire more details behind my father's war record. He was posted to the "12th Hamps" in March 1944 and it looks like he was attached to the BNAF and CMF through to September 1944. Does anyone know any details of any specific action this battalion saw in either North Africa or Italy in this period..?
     
  2. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Can953-
    Specific actions of the Hampshires ? - gadzooks - they stuck their noses into just about every battle there was in North Africa and Italy - from the sounds of thing you had better get his Service Records from Glasgow as the battailion you reference sounds like the holding battalion where they were trained to be sent to the fighting battalions..
    the others were the 2nd who were with 78th Div for a while then others like the 1/4th - 5th and 2/4 were spread out into the 4th and 46th Divisions- all three of which were involved in just about every battle going - the 78th were especially called uopn - the 4th took part in the final charge from Medjez el Bab to Cap Bon to finish the African campaign- the 46th were also active and were reserve for Sicily and landed at Salerno fought their way through to Naples - Garigliano - were just about broken up - they recovered and took one hell of a pasting at Croce and Gemmano-(where you say he left - probably wounded in the september '44) - ended up in Austria - involved ? - I would say they were and the sooner you get his records - the sooner you will be able to tell your Grandkids all about your Father .
    Cheers
     
  3. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Can953
    You won't do much better than to follow the activities of 128th Brigade of 46th Division as he -apparently joined one of their battalions in the March of '44 -
    as they were at the Garigliano through to Coriano Ridge in the September '44- where he was probably wounded.....here is a sample of that Croce battle....

    Gemmano 1944. Part 1 : the Gothic Line and the Operation Olive
     
  4. Can953

    Can953 Junior Member

    Thanks for the information. Although I joined this forum some time ago, this is the first opportunity I've had to really use it. I have a copy of my father's war record, and I'm trying to make sense of it...!

    It refers to him TOS 2/4 HAMPS in BNAF on 4th May (I think) 1944. What does 2/4 mean..?
     
  5. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    What does 2/4 mean..?
    The 4th bn was a TA bn of the Hampshires.
    1/4th was the First Line, 2/4th the Second Line .
    Or more simply, the 4th bn was so big they made 2 battalions out of it.
    as he joined the 2/4th Bn on May 4th '44 he'd have been with them when Wakeford was recommended for his VC.
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/italy/14628-wakeford-vc-original-recommendation.html

    As for the 12th Bn , that was originally the 50th (Holding) Bn.
    The Regtl history says ,
    ..the 12th Hampshire served in the less exciting but very necessary role of taking and training a large number of men who passed on to other battalions ...
    December 1943 the 12th Bn moved to Wykhurst Park , Bolney near Haywards Heath.
     
  6. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Can 953-
    you might check those dates again as during May '44 - 2/4th Batt Hamps should have been on the River Garigliani or near enough the Rapido at that time with the 46th Division- he may have joined them FROM BNAF at that time as a reinforcement - if it is at all possible for you to scan that page - then we shall all know without guessing..OK ? ---or possibly Owen has the diary of them at that time ?
    Cheers
     
  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  8. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    owen -
    somehow I have the 2/4 th Hamps in 46th Div - but the dates then ring true as they were still in BNAF in early May '44 coming up and almost immediately head up to do the right wheel to meet the Poles coming down from the Monastery - then over to the Trasimeno area - then back to the Adriatic for the Gothic Line in the September - then over to Greece
    Cheers
     
  9. Can953

    Can953 Junior Member

    I've scanned what I believe is the relevant page.

    Can you guys help decipher this..?

    Thanks.
     

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  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

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  11. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Owen
    seems to me that you show the actions for July when they had gone over to the Trasemino area - anything on the May - June period in the Liri Valley ? - as by August 21st ( prior to the Gothic Line) he was in various hospitals with X(2)s then finally released (8/11/44) when his battalion were over in Greece by that time and thus he joined the RAOC -after two months in a Transit camp - not another Infantry unit when we needed them very badly at that time - and I am wondering if his initial "injury" of October '43 in the Uk and had him de classified medically down to D1 as opposed to A1 for regular Infantry as he was given a medical allowance in the December '45 ?
    He appears to have been a Driver ( IC) in the RAOC -and dabbling in a paint factory ? wonder what his task was in 2/4th Hamps ?
    Interesting !
    Cheers
     
  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Tom, keep looking, they are not in month order.
     
  13. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Owen -
    Finally figured it all out - I knew they took a fair beating in the liri Valley - everyone did - the reinforcements caught up at Mignano just in time to move up - some introduction !
    Cheers
     

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