1932-34 Experimental serge uniform. (And maybe other oddities to be added when spotted).

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  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Re-Noticed in Brian Davis's British Uniform book the other night.
    Has this come up here before? Took 'em 10-20 years postwar to start looking more universally like that.

    Bit of Pathe:
    http://www.britishpathe.com/video/tommy-atkins-1932-model/query/new+british+uniforms


    Worthy of mention in the Sydney Morning Herald.
    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16934279

    Some pics:
    EPSON021.jpg EPSON018.jpg Serge.jpg

    It's the second one threw me. Funny how you unconsciously associate certain uniforms with certain periods.
    Something said 'why are all those 30s women near those 50s squaddies?..'

    More strangeness. The 'Cruise' Helmet Eye shield...

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  2. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    The two big patch pockets below the belt line, and the bottom edge of the full-length jacket, is reminiscent of the pre-"Emergency" uniforms of the Irish Army, the more desirable one made of what was known in Ireland as "bulls' wool". Similarly the Irish Army...sourcing most of their equipment in the UK at the time ;)...went at its creation in the 1920s to "deeper" ammunition clip pouches just like that, although in two staggeed rows of two per side rather than a set of three per side like that.

    I don't go for the open neck style though...let along that hat!!!...unless they were trying to produce a "unified" uniform for service in all parts of the Empire?

    And surely the MkIV SMLE is anachronistic to "1932-34"?
     
  3. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    It certainly has a 'jungle' look, doesn't it ? The womens' cloche hats are smarter than that scruffy shapeless thing. Can you imagine a sergeant-major's response to a parade dressed in that ? Entrenching tool location seems sensible but it looks too short for anything other than building sandcastles. It shows how they were thinking though.
     
  4. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I love that book....It's proper geek o'clock stuff inside :D
     
  5. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    I don't know, Rich - at least it was a full shovel, rather than the half-shovel, half-mattock two-piece thing they ended up with. The "entrenching tool" might indeed have broken ground better and faster...it's a glorified pick...but the shovel is going to shift it faster ;)

    I wonder what was supposed to be in the "half pack" underneath the main backpack? The back pack itself seems bigger....longer....than what they ended up with...
     
  6. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    The main pack is still the '08 pack, isn't it ? The Australian article mentions doing away with the waterbottle. Did they have some square shaped liquid container in that odd small pack, or just the groundsheet ? Certainly all the gear tied on to 1937 webbing makes it look quite cluttered but of course this has none of the anti-gas stuff.

    Slightly better known but still odd to see - Auxiliary Military Pioneer Corps in a June 1940 dated photo (with hessian helmet covers)....and wearing the 1939 pattern leather equipment, looking very new.


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    A funny old salute there....
     
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  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I would love it more, and it's German companions, IF THEY HAD A BASTARDING INDEX.

    Sorry, how indecorous of me.

    I see Dr. Cruise's eye protection was shipped out to the BEF, then 5K made for further evaluation.
    Funnily enough, it was found to be somewhat restricting to the soldier's vision.
    Imagine that...
     
  8. idler

    idler GeneralList

    The webbing is, or is close to, the Braithwaite Pattern:
    Have a look at KarkeeWeb as I'm struggling to paste the link on me phone.
     
  9. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad





    1st Durham Light(er) Infantry


    Kyle
     
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  10. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    God, those hats get worse every time I see them! It's like the W.I. on manouvers..."Miss Marple's Irregulars".

    The longer jacket with its big patch pockets was obviously doomed when the Army decided to go to the two large front ammo pouches that would hold a Bren mag. Those would have made the patch pockets impossible to use!
     
  11. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Adam,

    I think Cruise had been watching too many Roman Gladiator films ;)
    Regards
    Tom
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Loving the shorts.
    I quite like the hat. Makes me smile they call it a deerstalker. I suppose in the period a jungle hat was a solar topee.
    Am thinking it'd fit quite well under a tin lid.
     
  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Similar in design to what the Australians wore, how did they get on with their patch pockets & ammo pouches?

    https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/050124/

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  14. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Put-tee's :lol:
     
  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I'm making a deliberate effort to revisit all my pic-heavy books.
    So many images you go 'oh yeah! I never looked up or asked anyone about that'.
     
  17. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    As soon as I saw that uniform I thought, 'oh, that's got a rather Australian look to it.' Sure enough...anyway, it's not as ugly as battledress. Few things are, come to think of it.

    As for the hat, I don't mind it much. The US Army for years had a similar fatigue thingy called the "fisherman's hat." You often see pictures of troops in the Pacific wearing it, sometimes in combat. At least it gave some protection to the face and eyes, unlike the fore-and-aft sidecap the British army had in WWII.
     
  18. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    Owen, the issue may not be that clear cut...

    As looking at what I can find around the net, they didn't necessarily use the pair of large pouches. Look at the guy in the second row at the left side end at the foot of the pic, behind the guy with the cigarette...

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    ...looks like he's wearing WWI-type rifle clip pouches rather than the big bren mag ones! Here's another....

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    ...Bob Menzies the Australian PM addressing Australian troops in North Africa 1941. Small clip pouches again!
     
  19. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    ...and where you DO see them in field use...

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    ...it seems to be common to wear them so far round they're nearly under the armpit...or quite high on the belt.

    But pics of the small pouches seem to be far more common...

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  20. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Whether BD is 'ugly' is in the eye of the beholder....but unlike most cotton combat gear, it could be made smart enough to look impressive when being drilled in. This tropical outfit with 'bush' hat would never have been smart enough for home duties nor warm enough for all year round use in Northern Europe.

    The Field Service cap was being replaced by the General Service cap by 1943. Although it gave little sun protection, it could be opened and buttoned under the chin for cold weather use. I really don't understand how it stayed in place the rest of the time though.
     

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