1940 HOME FRONT AMMO

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  1. Bala

    Bala Member

    At least one Auxiliary Unit Patrol had a double barrel 12 bore shot gun.
    Did the WD issue 12 bore ammo ? What type was it. One round in the photograph is brass - what type was this?

    A WD arrow and SG. what does that mean?

    Thanks for your help


    12 bore cases.JPG
     
  2. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Any letters or numbers on the bottom? We call those "Low Brass" cartridges in the US as a very general type.
     
  3. Bala

    Bala Member

    Unfortunately I don't hold them - I will make enquiries
    Thanks for the quiick response
     
  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    SG - Swan Guage

    TD
     
  5. idler

    idler GeneralList

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  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    If I remember correctly the designation of fishing line lead weights corresponded with shotgun cartridge designations - thats in my day of course not today as lead weights are illegal when fishing - so Swan, BB, B etc were common sizes between the two sports.

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  8. Bala

    Bala Member

    Is that a War Department arrowhead marking below the SG or a trade mark?
     
  9. Bala

    Bala Member

    I now have more information on the markings and a photograph
    To Shotgun CartridgesP1150592.jpg quote: "
    "The Brass case has U.M.C.Co and No 12 on the base with no markings round the side of the case that I can see.

    It might be the 4th one with very faint MoD markings on the side that has SPECIAL 12 and SMOKELESS on the base.

    Three of the others have ELEY-KYNOCH 12 and the ICI trademark of ICI in a circle underscored with waves. Two of these have on the other end SMOKELESS.DIAMOND with SG in the middle. One of them has a hole cut in the end and a large piece of lead visible. On shaking it sounds like there are a few large pieces of shot in the cartridge rather than regular small shotgun pellets.

    I recall Dad telling me about a MoD shot gun cartridge that was loaded with a single large lead ball which was deemed a vehicle stopper as it would take out a radiator hit front on. The same effect could be reproduced by carefully peeling back the top of a regular cartridge and dropping melted wax from a candle onto the shot so that it essentially fused together".

    Can anyone expand on the 12 bore ammo that Aux Units and Home guard was issued - solid shot?
     
  10. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Bala

    IIRC - Swanshot/Swan Gauge or Buckshot normally had about 8 - 10 balls of lead inside and was generally used for stopping large prey - but that phrase can be used for people.
    It is possible to have shoutgun cartridges that only contains 1 'shot', I would suggest they had a selection of cartridges dependant upon what they needed to do.

    Shotgun shell - Wikipedia

    If you scroll down to the table the SG is shown as having 8 pellets per ounce.

    The British system is based on the amount of shot per ounce. The sizes are LG (Large Grape - from grape shot derived from musket shooting), MG (Medium Grape), and SG (Small Grape). For smaller game SSG shot is half the weight of SG, SSSG shot is half the weight of SSG, SSSSG shot is half the weight of SSSG, and so on

    TD

    added:
    Shotgun slug - Wikipedia
     

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