Discussion in 'RAC & RTR' started by nickc, May 2, 2006.
Thanks, that looks like the one. It confirms the field burial was in Overbroek
Tremendous stuff thanks very much. I have a friend in Gescher who thinks there was some hard fighting to clear the town, that is clear from that transcript. Many thanks.
Thanks. Found him here.
Thanks guys, you all are awesome!
The map reference for the other 3 2FFY burials is given as 'Volen Sht 52 West 1/50.000 771234' I see this map on the spreadsheet but there doesn't seem to be a link to it. However I assume it is just the same as grid square ref 77 23 next to Overbroek on the Maeseyck map you linked to?
Possible location of the field burials of Lt Gregory and Tprs Baker & Baxter?
I have always assumed (but never checked) that the grid reference does not differ for different scales of maps. Someone on here will know. 771234 gives a bit more detail compared to "77 23", being one-tenth to the right of grid line 77 and four-tenths above grid line 23.
Great to see what you're doing in this thread. I am working on the history of the 8th Rifle Brigade (the rough outline I am now adding to D-Day to VE-Day - 8th Rifle Brigade ). For more detail, at a later date, I certainly need to dive into the 23H, 3RTR and 2FFY diaries!
As the thread has nearly reached April 1945, I should mention that in my book Theirs the Strife I cover operations by 2FFY over the period 7 - 9 April in the area of the rivers Weser and Aller. Sorry if this sounds like yet another plug but there is no other way of saying it!
I've got the paperback edition on order. I just missed out on the hardback edition which sold out pretty quickly,
Almost done... with my first reading of the book. Was in time to get the "collectors edition". Will certainly pick it up many times again. Great book!!!
Research not by me but Hans Steenmetz, Venray War Cemetery : Looking to the Grave Concentration Report he was in a Fieldgrave near OVERBROEK. A hamlet Nord East of Veulen. With 3 other graves; probably a crew of a tank that was hit by German (anti)tankfire or drove on a mine. Fife and Forfar Yeomanry was a tank battallion of the 129th Armoured Brigade of the 11th British Armoured Division. The battallion was given the Sherman M 4 Tank. The Concentration Report says it was OVERLOON but the coordinates say OVERBROEK. He is burried beside his comrades.
Should read 159th Infantry Brigade. By this stage of the war, armoured and infantry brigades within the armoured divisions were operating with semi-formal combined arms groupings of tank regiments and infantry battalions, hence a tank regiment in an infantry brigade.
Does this refer to Gescher or Legden?
Eric Lamont and Charlie Workman got their troops into the town square, when the place became alive with enemy infantry and they were surrounded.
Corporal Alfred Wedderburn (7901973) was killed on March 30, 1945 west of Legden. Were there any wounded soldiers in the unit between March 29 and March 31, 1945?
Wedderburns Service -No was 7901973. I m a current citizen of Legden and did many research and interviews in the past, but nobody remembered whether the place he was killed nor from what reason or circumstances. Another question is what happened to the remainder of his crew. Perhaps there are more details listed in the war diary for that day?
Eric Lamont and Charlie Workman were both C Sqn so the action Steel Brownlie describes refers to Legden.
The Regimental war diary makes no mention of anyone being killed or wounded during March not even Cpl Wedderburn. The A Sqn war diary however mentions that Cpl Ash was wounded on the 30th when his tank was hit in the turret by a panzerfaust.
According to Ken Watson (HQ Sqn) Alf Wedderburn (C Sqn) was killed by MG fire when he was outside his tank. They had been best friends since they had met at the 270 Forward Delivery Sqn before joining the regiment proper. IWM sound archive interview, Reel 10.
Watson, Ken (Oral history)
Photo of Alf is from Ken's collection. I'll check my files to see if I have any other info. on his death
Very interesting and very helpful informations.
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