24th Lancers - Roll of Honour

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  1. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. S.S.M.Madgewick

    There is a brief ref. in "None had Lances" on p10 to his having taken a tumble from his motorcycle on the icy roads of the winter of 1940/41 (probably around late January/early February 1941) and thereby breaking his leg.

    It goes on to say that his replacement in the 24th Lancer regiment was S.S.M. A.J.Clark (Nobby)
     
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  2. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Captain H.H.Helbronner (aka Captain Hilbury), M.B.E.

    From p12, "None Had Lances" - Re. Captain H.H.Helbronner, M.B.E. "Une ile sauva le monde / An island saved the world" (Published - 1945)

    NHLp12.jpg From p12, "None Had Lances" - Re. Captain H.H.Helbronner, M.B.E. "Une ile sauva le monde / An island saved the world" (Published - 1945)

    e.g.

    https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=18432168417&cm_mmc=ggl-_-UK_Shopp_RareStandard-_-product_id=bi%3A%2018432168417-_-keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAiAgqDxBRBTEiwA59eEN6K8cjpvEuZMH0cpnK1f0xw7c1rsa67EXMZv7aXB6vbsxBOqOXJNfBoCycMQAvD_BwE

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  3. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

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  4. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Lieutenant R.S.C. Jennings

    He is (briefly) in the 24th L War diary (with) :

    16/4/43 2/Lt.R.S.C.Jennings joined the Regiment from RAC, OCTU.

    And when the 24th L were disbanded at the start of August 1944 he went to the 4/7th RDG.

    24th Lancers Regimental Nominal Roll and Postings August 1944

    He was wounded whilst serving with the 4/7th RDG on the 25th September 1944.

    Jennings#2.jpg

    Ref. p120: https://www.amazon.com/First-Last-Regimental-Narratives-Unofficial/dp/B000P1MYEE

    He also appears in one of the 24th L's "Lancer Lifes" - produced in the Field in Normandy in June/July 1944:
    http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads/24th-lancers-newsletter-lancer-life.70708/#post-777985

    So he'd apparently already been WIA whilst with the 24th L ....

    4: News from Casualties – From the Edition dated 26th July 1944

    There is practically no fresh news to hand, but we have a letter from
    Lieut Jennings saying that he is now enjoying a few days leave and has
    taken the opportunity to get married.
    L/Cpl Hughes (A sqd) writes from
    the City Central Hospital, Gloucester, reporting good progress, and
    saying that L/Cpl Hayward of B sqd is with him, and getting on well.
    Many in B sqd will have been very sad to hear the news of Tpr
    Constable’s death from his wounds. He was buried at Priory Church,
    Bridlington, where I assisted at his wedding such a short time ago.
    There is good news of Lieuts. Wareham, Garai, Fuller, Barry, Ames,
    Wadsworth, and Leather, but we have none of their letters and can
    therefore not add any more. Others from whom letters have been
    received are Sgt. Cooper and Tpr. Lansdowne.
     
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  5. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

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  6. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Sergeant Clifford Victor Warrington (Ex-24th L with 4/7 R.D.G.) - KIA 27/08/1944

    Around D-Day, Troop Sergeant in the 2nd Troop (2nd Lt. Dixon's) of C Squadron - 24th Lancers:

    C_Squadron.JPG

    - transferred on disbandment of the 24th L to the 4/7th RDG....

    http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads/24th-lancers-regimental-nominal-roll-and-postings-august-1944.62037/

    Warrington.jpg

    Ref p98: The First and the Last: The Story of the 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards 1939-1945 Compiled From the Regimental War Diary, Squadron Diaries, Personal Narratives, and the Unofficial 'Actions of the 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards in France': Stirling, J.D.P., Oxley, S.: Amazon.com: Books

    Casualty

    Serjeant WARRINGTON, CLIFFORD VICTOR
    Service Number 316602

    Died 27/08/1944

    Aged 33

    4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards
    Royal Armoured Corps
     
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  7. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Trooper Joseph Morgan Whitehead (Ex-24th L with 4/7 R.D.G.) - KIA 19/11/1944

    - transferred on disbandment of the 24th L to the 4/7th RDG...

    KIA 19th November 1944 - Casualty


    Trooper WHITEHEAD, JOSEPH MORGAN
    Service Number 14223533

    Died 19/11/1944

    Aged 21

    4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards
    Royal Armoured Corps

    Son of Joseph and Veronica Whitehead, of Oldham, Lancashire.


    Whitehead2.jpg

    Ref p129: https://www.amazon.com/First-Last-Regimental-Narratives-Unofficial/dp/B000P1MYEE
     
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  8. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    1939 REGISTER
    365 Park Road, Oldham C.B., Lancashire
    Name - DOB - Occupation - Marital status
    Joseph Whitehead - 02 Oct 1887 Cotton Doubling Mill Manager - Married
    Veronica Whitehead - 15 Jul 1889 - Unpaid Domestic Duties - Married
    The record for this person is officially closed.
    The record for this person is officially closed.
    Janie Kelly - 02 Nov 1863 - Unpaid Domestic Duties - Single

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  9. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re Ex. 24th L - 2nd Lieutenant B.H. Dehnel

    24th Lancers Regimental Nominal Roll and Postings August 1944

    Dehnel2.jpg

    After the disbandment of the 24th L... ( London Gazette - below) - seems to be a ref. to the same name, potentially, albeit a slightly different army number though (Listed as 324411 - 24th L whereas 314422 for the Army Air Corps - GPR.)

    No idea if these are actually for the same person, but I guess that there is a chance.

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  10. Praiseyou

    Praiseyou Member

    Thanks for posting these images. T H ROWLAND, 24 Lancers, is a relative of mine. I’ve recently started this journey to learn more about Thomas and what happened around the time of his passing and I never thought I would find his headstone. Thanks very much for posting.

    We’re in Harwich. I thought I see something on your profile about Ipswich? Only 20 minutes down the road. Mad.

    would it be possible to get a high-res image?

    thanks again!

    Dave, 33, Harwich
     
  11. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic Patron

    To which post # are you referring?
     
  12. Praiseyou

    Praiseyou Member


    Sorry all, I thought I replied originally but looks like I made a new post.

    this is the post I was referring to. (Thanks Norton)

    Also, thanks to this great resource I’ve just seen that a Tom Rowland was mentioned in Lancer Life #4.

    I don’t know much, but I’m intrigued to learn more. This is Thomas.
     

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  13. Praiseyou

    Praiseyou Member

    Tom died on Sunday 25 June 1944. I assume this places him at Tessel Woods? Again, thanks for all the info!

    thanks all
     
  14. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Here is a ref. in "None Had Lances" - where there is a bit more info. perhaps?

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  15. Praiseyou

    Praiseyou Member

    Thanks for this. This is some great information that the family didn’t know. Much appreciated!

    Please excuse my knowledge, but did the 24 Lancers land in Normandy on 6 June?
     
  16. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    The 24th L wardiary has:

    Asnelles 6/6/44 The Regiment was lying up in LSTs off Asnelles in the late morning.
    During the evening, most of ‘B’ Sqn tanks disembarked, also some tanks and other vehicles from ‘A’ and ‘C’ Sqns. Few enemy aircraft were observed during the day and the AA opposition put up by the numerous small craft off the French coast was very considerable.
    7/6/44 During the day further vehicles of the Regiment disembarked and by 2300 hours, the whole Regimental Assault party had landed. ‘B’ Sqn together with eight tanks of ‘A’ Sqn were used during the day for mopping up operations in the area Bazenville in which the Regiment were
    later to concentrate. It was revealed later that ‘B’ Sqn killed or captured over 100 German Infantrymen in this operation.
    8/6/44 At 0770 hours the Regiment had assembled in the area Martragny and prepared to advance in accordance with the Operation Order No.1 attached to this war diary. Advancing down the main Bayeux-Caen road just East of St Leger, leading elements of the Regiment were heavily engaged by A/Tk guns and a Stuart tank was destroyed. Supporting artillery engaged suspected enemy gun positions with fire but in spite of this the Regiment was unable to advance.
    A particularly active enemy position was found at Putot-En-Bassin and in the late afternoon the Regiment advanced and attacked this position. The position was found to be strongly held by 3 Bns of a Pz Gren Regt in the Hitler Jugend Div, numbers of which infantry had hidden themselves in the long grass an the orchards west of Putot and also at the tops of trees whence tank commanders were continuously sniped.
    After inflicting heavy casualties and taking approx 40 prisoners, the Regiment withdrew from this position and later were ordered to concentrate again in the area Martragny.
     
  17. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic Patron

    According to the Nominal Roll effective D Day, Tom was indeed a member of B Squadron. Unfortunately the Roll doesn't confirm his Trade (Driver, Gunner etc)

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  18. norton 407545

    norton 407545 Well-Known Member

    Hi Dave,
    the highest resolution image I have of Thomas' headstone is about 3 MP which isnt brilliant but its much better than the resolution on here which is probably a few hundred kb.
    I see you've posted on the Facebook group its probably simpler to message me via Facebook your email address and I'll attach you an image of thomas Rowlands headstone.
    I'll tag you on facebook so you'll know who I am.
    I've been to harwich many times in the past especially when it was harwich lifeboat day.

    Shaun Norton
     
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  19. Praiseyou

    Praiseyou Member

    this is fantastic, that’s for finding this.
     
  20. Praiseyou

    Praiseyou Member

    Hello Shaun,
    Thanks for getting in touch. I’ve had to restore my phone so I’ve struggled to get online. Apologies for not coming back sooner. I’ll find you on Facebook, no problem.

    yes, the lifeboat day is normally a good one. I work for Trinity House so if you’ve ever had a tour of the ship During lifeboat day we’ve probably met. Shame this years looking likely to be cancelled.
     

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