2718724 John McLOUGHLIN, 1 Irish Guards

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  1. dbf

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    Army Number: 2718724
    Rank: Guardsman
    Name: J McLAUGHLIN
    Unit: 1 Irish Guards
    GSM & Clasp: GSM, Palestine Clasp 1936 - 1939
    TNA Reference: WO 100/503
     
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    Army Number: 2718724
    Rank: Guardsman
    Name: John McLOUGHLIN
    Unit: Irish Guards
    Theatre: Italy
    POW Number: 275795
    Date of Capture: 10/04/1944
    Place of Capture: Anzio
    Camp: Stalag XIA
    TNA Reference: WO 344-205-1

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    Another form completed by same man
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    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Thanks Diane.

    First time I’ve seen a duplicate questionnaire.

    Wonder if they posted the second form out to his home address as he would likely be on his 3 month POW repatriation Leave within 48 hours of his arrival in U.K.?

    Steve
     
  6. dbf

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    Hi Steve,
    AndyBaldEagle very kindly sent me a batch of these years ago and I uploaded them in Gallery. I'm ashamed to say I never noticed until posting on the individual thread today.

    I've no concrete explanation as to how it could've happened but wonder perhaps if the one dated 2nd May was lost at some point - it's actually got a later number franked on it and it's marked as a duplicate of the one dated 19th May....
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  7. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Thanks Diane.

    I’ve previously been through all the questionnaires you’ve posted in the Gallery.

    There was one for an IG who was in the same small Stalag 17B work camp as my Dad at Mistelbach, Austria. His questionnaire was dated the same date as my Dad’s - 12th May 1945.

    I often wonder if he was the IG my Dad mentioned went with him scavenging for food after they had been abandoned by their German Guards in Czechoslovakia in late April 1945 after a month marching west away from the Russians.

    They were caught red handed by an armed Farmer who took them to a nearby rural Police Office. My Dad said the Policeman communicated to them in broken English/sign language that they were very lucky not be shot on the spot for looting but let them go. He always said he thought the Policeman could see the end was nigh so just let them make their own way back to where they had left their column.

    They were found by advancing US troops from Patton’s 3rd Army somewhere in Bohemia in early May 1945 and the column was sent back down the line to Regensberg (and issued with American uniform and kit). He returned to U.K. by air with stops at airfields at Nancy and Cherbourg, France.

    Steve
     
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    An interesting co-incidence Steve.
    Exactly the reason why I'm trying to cross reference/tagging as much as possible. I don't have funds to get further source material, so making the best of what I already have.
     
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    WO 344-205-1

    N.B. 2 forms were completed by this Guardsman


    PART I
    General Questionnaire for British Ex-Prisoners of War

    1. No.: 2718724
    Rank: Guardsman
    Surname: McLOUGHLIN
    Christian Names: John
    Decorations: -

    2. Unit (Army): 1st Battalion IRISH GUARDS
    3. Division (Army): 1st INFANTRY DIVISION

    4. Date of Birth: 6 Jul 1913
    5. Date of Enlistment: 24 Apr 1937
    6. Civilian Trade: Labourer
    7. Private Address: 39 Woodside Road, Wood Green, London N22

    8. Place of Capture: Anzio, Italy
    Date of Capture:10 Feb 1944

    9. Were you Wounded when Captured: No

    10. Main Camps or Hospitals in which imprisoned
    Camp No. Location From & To
    Stalag 4B 20 Feb 1944 - 1 Mar 1944
    Stalag IIA 1 Mar 1944 - 1 Feb 1944

    11. Were you in a Working Camp?
    No
    Location From & To Nature of Work
    170/26 1 Feb 1944 - 1 Sep 1944 Waggon Factory
    221/1 1 Sep 1944 - 10 Dec 1944 Sugar Factory
    329/1 10 Dec 1944 - 14 Apr 1945 Concrete Work

    12. Did you suffer from any Serious Illnesses while a P/W?:
    -
    Nature of Illness Cause Duration
    -

    Did you receive adequate Medical Treatment?:



    PART II

    2. Lectures before Capture
    (State where, when and by whom)
    (a) Were you lectured in your unit on how to behave in the event of capture?:
    No
    (b) Were you lectured on escape and evasion?:
    No

    3. Interrogation after Capture
    (State where, when and methods employed by enemy)
    Were you specially interrogated by the enemy?:
    No

    4. Escapes attempted.
    Did you make any attempted or party successful escapes?
    No
    (Give details of each attempt separately, stating where, when, method employed, names of your companions, where and when captured and by whom. Were you physically fit? What happened to our companions?)
    -

    5. Sabotage.
    Did you do any sabotage or destruction of enemy factory plant, war material, communications, etc., when employed on working-parties or during escape?
    No
    (Give details, places and dates).
    -

    6. Collaboration with enemy.
    Do you know of any British or American personnel who collaborated with the enemy or in any way helped the enemy against other Allied PoWS?
    No
    (Give details, names of person(s) concerned, camp(s), dates and nature of collaboration or help given to enemy).
    -

    7. War Crimes.
    If you have any information or evidence of bad treatment by the enemy to yourself or to others, or knowledge of any enemy violation of Geneva Convention you should ask for a copy of “Form Q” on which to make your statement.
    -

    8. Have you any other matter of any kind you wish to bring to notice?
    -

    SECURITY UNDERTAKING.
    I fully realised that all information relating to the matters covered by the questions in PART II are of a highly secret and official nature.
    I have had explained to me and fully understand that under Defence Regulations or U.S.A.R. 380-5 I am forbidden to publish or communicate any information concerning these matters.


    Date of Signature: 19 May 1945





    “Duplicate”


    PART I
    General Questionnaire for British Ex-Prisoners of War

    1. No.: 2718724
    Rank: Guardsman
    Surname: McLOUGHLIN
    Christian Names: John
    Decorations: -

    2. Unit (Army): IRISH GUARDS
    3. Division (Army): 1st INFANTRY DIVISION

    4. Date of Birth: 6 Jul 1913
    5. Date of Enlistment: 24 Apr 1937
    6. Civilian Trade: Labourer
    7. Private Address: 39 Woodside Road, Wood Green London N22.

    8. Place of Capture: Anzio, ITALY
    Date of Capture:10 Feb 1944

    9. Were you Wounded when Captured: No

    10. Main Camps or Hospitals in which imprisoned
    Camp No. Location From & To
    Latrina Italy 12 Feb 1944 - 26 Feb 1944
    Stalag IVB Germany 1 Mar 1944 - 14 Mar 1944
    Stalag XIA Germany 15 Mar 1944 - 30 Mar 1944

    11. Were you in a Working Camp?
    Location From & To Nature of Work
    Desau 178/26 1 Apr 1944 - 1 Oct 1944 Waggon Factory
    Eilsleben 221/1 2 Oct 1944 - 10 Dec 1944 Concrete Work

    12. Did you suffer from any Serious Illnesses while a P/W?:
    Nature of Illness Cause Duration
    Rheumatism Damp billets 1 Jan 1945 - 1 Apr 1945

    Did you receive adequate Medical Treatment?:
    No


    PART II

    2. Lectures before Capture
    (State where, when and by whom)
    (a) Were you lectured in your unit on how to behave in the event of capture?:
    No
    (b) Were you lectured on escape and evasion?:
    No

    3. Interrogation after Capture
    (State where, when and methods employed by enemy)
    Were you specially interrogated by the enemy?:
    No

    4. Escapes attempted.
    Did you make any attempted or party successful escapes?
    No
    (Give details of each attempt separately, stating where, when, method employed, names of your companions, where and when captured and by whom. Were you physically fit? What happened to our companions?)
    -

    5. Sabotage.
    Did you do any sabotage or destruction of enemy factory plant, war material, communications, etc., when employed on working-parties or during escape?
    No
    (Give details, places and dates).
    -

    6. Collaboration with enemy.
    Do you know of any British or American personnel who collaborated with the enemy or in any way helped the enemy against other Allied PoWS?
    No
    (Give details, names of person(s) concerned, camp(s), dates and nature of collaboration or help given to enemy).
    -

    7. War Crimes.
    If you have any information or evidence of bad treatment by the enemy to yourself or to others, or knowledge of any enemy violation of Geneva Convention you should ask for a copy of “Form Q” on which to make your statement.
    -

    8. Have you any other matter of any kind you wish to bring to notice?
    No


    SECURITY UNDERTAKING.
    I fully realised that all information relating to the matters covered by the questions in PART II are of a highly secret and official nature.
    I have had explained to me and fully understand that under Defence Regulations or U.S.A.R. 380-5 I am forbidden to publish or communicate any information concerning these matters.


    Date of Signature: 2 May 1945
     

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