2733479 Lance-Serjeant Reuben Joseph HOLDER, 2 Welsh Guards: POW

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    2733479 L/Sergeant Reuben Joseph Holder 2nd Welsh Guards
    Born 23rd January 1913 - Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales son of Reuben Joseph Charles Holder and Annie Holder (Long)
    Died in Florida USA in 1993

    Wounded and captured with the BEF 1940
    Initially reported to have been Killed in Action on May 23rd 1940
    Prison camp or ship Hohen Fels
    Camp number Stalag 383
    Camp location Hohenfels
    Released 1945
    Reuben`s younger brother 14281104 Pte Clifford Holder (born 29 November 1923) was Killed in Action on the 28th June 1944 serving with the Monmouthshire Regiment. aged 20.

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    Date of Enlistment: 5 July 1932
    Army Number: 2733479
    Rank: Lance-Serjeant
    Name: Reuben Joseph HOLDER
    Unit: 2 Welsh Guards

    Date of Birth: 23 January 1913
    Place of Birth: Canton, Cardiff

    Date of Capture: Boulogne, France
    Place of Capture: 24 May 1940

    POW Number: 16254
    POW Camps: Stalag XXA, Stalag XXB, Stalag 383
     
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    Name: Reuben Holder . Date of Birth: 23 January 1913 . Place of Birth: Canton . ... | The National Archives
    Reference: WO 416/180/209
    Name: Reuben Holder.
    Date of Birth: 23 January 1913.
    Place of Birth: Canton.
    Service: British Army.
    Rank: Lance Sergeant.
    Regiment/Unit/Squadron: [The Welsh Guards].
    Service Number: 2733479.
    Date of Capture: [unspecified].
    Theatre of Capture: [unspecified].
    Camp Name/Number: Stalag XXA Thorn.
    PoW number: 16254.
    Date of Death: [unspecified].
    Number of Photographs: 0.
    Number of Fingerprints: 0.
    Number of X-rays: 0.
    Number of Cards: 1.
     
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    View Record via Ancestry

    PART I.
    GENERAL QUESTIONNAIRE FOR BRITISH/AMERICAN EX-PRISONERS OF WAR.

    1. No.
    2733479
    RANK - L/SGT.
    SURNAME - HOLDER
    CHRISTIAN NAMES - REUBEN JOSEPH
    DECORATIONS -

    2. UNIT (ARMY) -
    2ND BN. WELSH GUARDS

    3. DIVISION (ARMY) -

    4. DATE OF BIRTH -
    23/1/13

    5. DATE OF ENLISTMENT -
    5/7/2

    6. CIVILIAN TRADE OR PROFESSION -
    MOTOR DRIVER

    7. PRIVATE ADDRESS -
    30 BROADLEY ST., LONDON N.W.8

    8. PLACE AND DATE OF ORIGINAL CAPTURE -
    BOULOGNE, FRANCE 24/5/40

    9. WERE YOU WOUNDED WHEN CAPTURED? -
    YES

    10. MAIN CAMPS OR HOSPITALS IN WHICH IMPRISONED
    Camp No. / Location / From / Till

    STALAG THORN POLAND 14/7/40 - -/10/41
    STALAG MARIENBURG POLAND -/10/41 - /11/41
    STALAG XXA THORN POLAND -/11/41 - 12/9/42
    STALAG 383 BAVARIA GERMANY 12/9/42 - -/4/45

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    11. WERE YOU IN A WORKING CAMP?
    Location / From/ Till / Nature of Work

    POLAND -/6/41 - -/8/41 ROAD WORK
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    12. DID YOU SUFFER FROM ANY SERIOUS ILLNESSES WHILE A P/W?
    Nature of Illness / Cause / Duration

    -
    12 b. DID YOU RECEIVE ADEQUATE MEDICAL TREATMENT?
    YES


    GENERAL QUESTIONNAIRE PART II TOP SECRET

    1. No.
    2733479
    RANK - L/SGT
    SURNAME - HOLDER
    CHRISTIAN NAMES - REUBEN JOSEPH


    2. LECTURES before Capture:
    ( a ) Were you lectured in your unit on how to behave the event of capture? (State where, when and by whom).

    At Colchester -/12/39 Lieutenant Coombe-Tennant
    ( b ) Were you lectured on escape and evasion? (State where, when and by whom.
    No

    3. INTERROGATION after capture:
    Were you specially interrogated by the enemy? (State where, when and methods employed by enemy).

    Stalag XXA POLAND. On arrival 14/7/40. Welsh & Irish were interviewed by a German Officer.
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    4. ESCAPES attempted:
    Did yo make any attempted or partly successful escapes? (Give details of each attempt accurately, stating where, when, method employed, names of your companions, wherein when recaptured and by whom. Were you physically fit? What happened to your companions?)

    No

    5. SABOTAGE
    Did you do any sabotage or destruction of enemy factory plant, war material, communications, etc, when employed on working-parties or during escape? (Give details, places and dates.)

    Whilst employed, laying cable, I pierced several lengths with a pick. Also buried a lot of tools and smashed hundreds of tubes, used to cover the cable.
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    6. COLLABORATION with enemy:
    Do you know of any British or American personnel who collaborated with the enemy or in any way helped the enemy agains other Allied Prisoners of War? (Give details, names of persons concerned, camps, dates and nature of collaboration or help given to enemy).

    No

    7. WAR CRIMES
    If you have any information or evidence of bad treatment by the enemy to yourself or to others, or knowledge of any enemy violation of Geneva Convention you should ask for a copy of "Form Q" on which to make your statement.
    (NOTE: Form Q is a separate form inviting information on "War Crimes" and describes the kind of offences coning under this title.)



    GENERAL QUESTIONNAIRE PART II TOP SECRET
    (continued)

    8. Have you any other matter of any kind you wish to bring to notice?

    -


    SECURITY UNDERTAKING
    I fully realise that all information relating the matters covered by the questions in Part II. are of a highly secret and official nature.

    I have had explained to me and fully understand that under Defence Regulations or U.S.A.R. 380-5 I am forbidden to publish or communicate any information concerning these matters.

    Date
    10/5/45
    Signature R.J. Holder
     
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