2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers soldiers Names

Discussion in 'British Army Units - Others' started by skimmod, Sep 23, 2010.

  1. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    I am assuming that service numers 29***** refer to pre-war Camerons

    Only those whose numbers fall within the 2921001 to 2966000 bracket.

    Most of the 29***** numbered men on that list originally enlisted into the Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders (for example, 2993072 Fus.T.McLaren, 2976186 Fus.J.O'Neil, 2989245 Fus.R.Pollock, 2975949 Sgt.D.Rodger, 2979052 Fus.J.Simpson, 2989576 Fus.C.Smith and 2986298 Fus.J.M.Munnoch, etc)

    Dave
     
  2. Roxy

    Roxy Senior Member

    Dave,

    Thanks. I found the link to Army Numbers (after I'd posted!) and I've tried to help Iain with his list of 2 RSF with Army Numbers originating in other regiments. As you say, there are a fair few A & SH; although the men appear to come from all over - Essex, Devon, Dorset and Lancashire are also involved.

    Iain,

    Still no joy on the Army records front!

    Roxy
     
  3. Roxy

    Roxy Senior Member

    Looking at Iain's spreadsheet again, I've noticed that my grandad is listed as Pte Roxburgh. If he had transfered to the RSF, would he not have become a Fusilier?

    Roxy
     
  4. skimmod

    skimmod Senior Member

    I think it would depend on his trade.
    In my fusilier days (early nineties) the infantry soldiers where Fusiliers, but the drivers, LAD specialists, storemen etc were Privates.

    The spreadsheet is going to change again soon! I've managed to write off about 15 names to Newcombes rifles and confirm the identity of the carrier driver that tried to find the battalion during the morning of the 28th.
     
  5. Roxy

    Roxy Senior Member

    My grandad's records arrived in the post today! I guess that I have a bit of reading to do. I've had a quick look through and the reason for him leaving QOCH and joining RSF has become a little bit clearer. At one point he was CQMS; after FGCM he was sentenced to 84 days and reduced to the ranks; he was then transferred to the RSF; less than 3 weeks later, he was captured.

    It seems that the stores were a bit too tempting. They can't all be heroes!

    Roxy
     
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    My grandad's records arrived in the post today! I guess that I have a bit of reading to do. I've had a quick look through and the reason for him leaving QOCH and joining RSF has become a little bit clearer. At one point he was CQMS; after FGCM he was sentenced to 84 days and reduced to the ranks; he was then transferred to the RSF; less than 3 weeks later, he was captured.

    It seems that the stores were a bit too tempting. They can't all be heroes!

    Roxy

    Five years as a PoW, he more than did his bit mate !
     
  7. Roxy

    Roxy Senior Member

    Drew,

    He got captured at Anzio - he did a year as a POW, including a while in hospital as he was wounded on capture. I do not intend to make any judgement on him; he is no longer here to defend himself.

    I will deal simply with the facts.

    He appears to have spent most of the war at Home - No 1 ITC, Liverpool Scottish and 5 Camerons rising to CQMS. He was reduced to the rank of sgt on his own request just after he was severely reprimanded for the 'rendering and issuing of a totally incorrect AFB 293'; I suspect that he was out of his depth at this point. Nine months later, with 5 Camerons, he was tried by FGCM; the charges were '(i)(v)(vii) WOAS fraudulently misapplying property belonging to a person subject to Mil Law (ii)(iii)(iv)-(v) improperly borrowing money from a private soldier(viii) WOAS Sec 15(i) AA AWOL from 2359hrs 13.8.43 to 0600hrs 16.9.43'. He served 56 days at Chorley, was released to 1st Liverpool Scottish before being sent to the Central Mediterranean Front and compulsory transfer to RSF on 9 May 44.

    Roxy

    I'm posting stuff relating to my grandfather on another thread rather than hijacking this one:

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/italy/5769-pow-italy-3.html
     
  8. ngj1977

    ngj1977 Junior Member

    Hi,

    My Grandfather Frank Robert ALLEN served in the RSF no.3130522, I have a certificate that he was given by the Red Cross Society and the order of St John of Jerusalem, this is signed by King and Queen. I believe he received this for his service to humanity as a prisoner but do not know how or why he received it. He was B Coy 12 Platoon 2RSF, do you have any photos of his platoon?

    Neil
     
  9. Roxy

    Roxy Senior Member

    Neil,

    Frank was reported as a POW along with Cpl Stevenson and Fus Crawford, Evans, Halliday, Kelly, Lockeridge, MacFadzean, Mann, Neale and Welsh in the Times on 30 Oct 1940.

    Roxy
     
  10. skimmod

    skimmod Senior Member

    Good Morning Neil,
    I'll drop you a PM with my email. Drop me a line and I can send you, your grandfather's entry in the attestation books and also the times extract.
    My grandfather was also in 12 platoon, so they may have known each other. He spent the rest of the war in XXB, working on the farms near Torun.
    I have a full account of B companies activities, including the few that made it back from the railway line to the farm with Capt Heisch.

    all the best

    Iain
     
  11. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Sittard War Cemetery

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  12. everell

    everell Junior Member

    Hello folks, just found this site and this is my first post here

    looking for info on my grandad who i never met PTE DAVID AVERELL OR EVERELL 2ND Battallion RFS joined 1925?? under age?? hence i think his name a slight deviation from his birth name of everell averell being his irsh family name i know he was in shanghi as there is a story he got a charge for deserting his post after rescuing a local girl from the river he was patroling, giving him favour with locals

    any info you can find on his career would be great

    regards

    jason
     
  13. skimmod

    skimmod Senior Member

    Hi Jason,
    I haven't got the attestation records with me at the moment, I'll see what I can find.
    What other information do you have?
    How do you know he was a member of the 2nd Bn RSF? do you have a service number or have you applied for his records?
    I'll be back when I have the attestation records.
    all the best
    Iain
     
  14. everell

    everell Junior Member

    Cheers

    Iain all the info I have is from my conversations with my father and his sisters but do not have his service number

    There is an album of photos he bought back from shanghai some quite shocking the executions that were held in public, sure he started in 1925 and left in 1940

    Any info you can dig up would be a good starting point for me

    I also have some other family to trace one in 1916 ww1 died thepval the somme and another ww2 HLI who died in holland I belive but will start with grandad first

    Regards

    Jase
     
  15. everell

    everell Junior Member

    think i have found his number

    780684 d coy 2nd batt RSF military police 3 / nov 1931


    where can i gain any info? using number
     
  16. everell

    everell Junior Member

    anyone ??
     
  17. Roxy

    Roxy Senior Member

  18. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Jase have you considered applying for his service records? If you can confirm his unit(s) you can then look for their diaries at the National Archives.
     
  19. PeterMcCrea

    PeterMcCrea Junior Member

    Hello

    My uncle was Sejeant James McCrea 3127816, who died on 11th February 1940, but I know nothing about the circumstances and am keen to know more.

    Peter McCrea
     
  20. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hello and welcome to the forum Peter.
    I am sure you'll be ably advised soon enough. In meantime has anyone in the family applied for a copy of your uncle's service records? Ministry of Defence | About Defence | What we do | Personnel | Service Records | Making a Request for Information held on the Personnel Records of Deceased Service Personnel


    Full CWGC entry
    CWGC :: Casualty Details
    Serjeant JAMES McCREA 3127816, 2nd Bn., Royal Scots Fusiliers who died age 29 on 11 February 1940
    Remembered with honour JANVAL CEMETERY, DIEPPE
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Section F, Row A, Grave 1.
     

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