4th Bn Grenadier Guards - which Brigade?

Discussion in 'The Brigade of Guards' started by Pete Thomas, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. Pete Thomas

    Pete Thomas Member

    Does anyone know what brigade the 2nd Grenadier Guards belonged to? A search on the internet resulted in conflicting information;one said 5th Guards Tank Brigade, another, the 6th Guards Tank Brigade.

    Also does anyone know what the 2nd Grenadiers were doing on 6th August 1944. Lance Corporal 2617483 Sydney Ernest Hall was killed on this date.

    Regards
    Pete
     
  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    2GG was in 5th Armoured Brigade in Guards Armoured Division.
    ( It was 4GG in 6th Guards Tank Brigade with Churchill tanks)

    Looked in Guards history & on 5th & 6th August they were resting before an attack on the 7th.

    Just looked at roll of hounour & he listed as 4th Bn
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Just looked on CWGC & he listed as 4th Bn there too.
    CWGC - Casualty Details

    Where did you get the 2nd Bn from ?
     
  4. Pete Thomas

    Pete Thomas Member

    Just looked on CWGC & he listed as 4th Bn there too.
    CWGC - Casualty Details

    Where did you get the 2nd Bn from ?


    Sorry Owen, it was a typo (too early in the morning :)). You're right of course, he was 4GG. Can I amend my question to where were the 4th on this day and which Brigade?

    (I tried to change the heading but couldn't)

    Cheers
    Pete
     
  5. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Title edited to 4th Bn who were in 6th Guards Tanks Brigade as mentioned.
    They too were resting & refitting on that day according to the regt history.

    4th Aug.
    4GG ordered to Montcharivel to join up with 8 Royal Scots Fusiliers.
    8 RSF & 4GG attacked & captured that village.
    5th & 6th Aug, chance to rest & overhaul vehicles
     
  6. Pete Thomas

    Pete Thomas Member

    Thanks Owen, sorry for the confusion.

    Regards
    Pete
     
  7. bob90

    bob90 WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Pete Thomas. Owens imfo correct, as if known not to be. I as a Gunner/op in 4GGwas flown back to UK to attend a course on the new type Sabot Ammo lasting five days rejoining 4GG Batt 10th Aug 44. All keyed up. bob90
     
  8. Pete Thomas

    Pete Thomas Member

    Bob, apologies for not replying earlier. I have only just seen your post. Thank you very much for the information.

    Best regards
    Pete
     
  9. Pete Thomas

    Pete Thomas Member

    Does anyone have access to the war diaries for 4GG on 6th August 1944? If they were resting and refitting on this day, I would have thought a casualty would have been noted in the diary.

    Any help gratefully appreciated.

    Regards
    Pete
     
  10. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Bare in mind he may have received wounds in an earlier battle which resulted in his death days later.
     
  11. Pete Thomas

    Pete Thomas Member

    Thanks Drew, good point. I was forgetting that their isn't a Soldiers Died in the Great War equivalent for WW2, to search for cause.

    Regards
    Pete
     
  12. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I don't have the war diary but if you can get to Kew this is the one you want to pull:

    WO 171/12554 Grenadier Guards (Tank Battalion)1944 Jan.- Dec.

    Has anyone looked in the regimental history for you?
     

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