Discussion in 'Royal Artillery' started by Buteman, Nov 2, 2011.
Message also for "Rob" ref Sint Annaland - 247 battery -My uncle was one of the three men killed - Many thanks Rob - thi diary account runs counter to what we were infomed on Friday - that they had been stabbed to death by the German raiding party. Is there any further info on the following pages of the diary (pages 6 and following)?? Still doesn't answer yet the question as to how many men were deployed at St Annaland or when they arrived! Thanks for your help. I look forward to the "mystery" being clarified. I suppose the other question is, how many men were actually at the emplacement that night? The local Dutch community would really like further contact with any relatives/descendants of Callan. Are you aware of any??
War diaries rarely go into the sort of detail that you are seeking to find. The unit and troops of this Battery were constantly moving around on patrols and won't necessarily record every single movement and how many men were involved. The war diary clearly states though when they went to Sint Annaland?
I don't know of any relatives of Callan that the Dutch Villagers can contact, although people have been tracked down with some research. Can you ask one of them to contact me to see what we can do.
Many thanks Rob! I'd still appreciate the next couple of pages of the war diary for 247 (pages 6 & 7) if that's possible, or point me to the source so that I can investigate myself.
Just looked online at today's edition of "eendaachtbode" - local paper for Tholen and Sint Annaland and there are a couple of photos of myself and my sister and party at the Tholen memorial last Friday.
If I get further info on the Brown and Callan families, I'll let you know.
great read, thanks for putting online. And their typed. My grandfathers regimental diaries, (73rdAnti tank are mostly hand written. It's taking me ages to de cypher them..lol
New here today but I am looking for information about 62 Anti Tank, I believe My late Grandfather Herbert Bosworth 998245 Served with 62, I say believe because the scans I had of his demob book have been lost from my hard drive. Would there be any manning records out there that I could investigate?
*EDIT* Found the scans of Grandad's Demob Book, He was serving with 247 Battery 62 Anti Tank Regt according to the stamps on the book, Would anyone have access to 247 Battery War Diaries?, would be very much obliged if anyone could point me in the right direction?.
Here's the refs for the 247 Battery diaries from 1944 to 46 at the National Archives
WO 171/946 247 Battery 1944 June- Dec.
WO 171/4787 247 Battery 1945 Jan.- Dec.
WO 171/9036 247 Battery 1946 Jan.
I've got the 247 Battery war diaries. Send me a Private Message with your e-mail address and I'll send them to you. For some reason, I forgot to finish adding a link to this thread.
Cheers - Rob
did you get a PM from me? just wondering if i gave yo the correct e-mail address?
Just out of interest, which Division were they attached to?
Nice photo of an M10
They were 1 Corp's Anti-Tank Regiment, but the 4 individual batteries were attached to various divisions/brigades in North West Europe.
I know the daughter of the driver of this M10 (Jukegirl2). Another of the crew (Wally Shea) recently passed away.
Wow, My grandad was a resistance fighter who served at the Coy at Stavenisse. The pillbox next to them was raided by para's of the Hermann Göring Division. 2 of them became POW and were executed later on.
Hi, I've just come across the posts on this thread and realise it went quiet some time ago. I have been asked by the Liberation Day Commemoration Commemoration Committee at Sint Annaland Cemetary to trace any living family members of John Little Brown. The families of the two other casualties at Tholen on the 21st Jan 1945 have been successfully contacted They wish to invite representatives of all three soldiers on 4/5 May 2020. I have traced many of the descendents of John Brown's bothers/ sisters / cousins etc to almost the present day and managed to speak to one family member.
Please let me know if you can help with contacts. I am also after any photographs of John Little Brown, perhaps as part of a group.
There is an excellent personal account of service in 62nd Anti Tank Regiment called " A Soldier Of The Second World War’ By John Hall. 1986. 95 pages. Maps
Hall first joined a Royal Engineer’s TA. unit before the war & was later commissioned into the Middlesex Regiment, before finally transferring to the Royal Artillery with whom he spent the rest of the war serving with the 62nd Anti-Tank Regiment. He describes his training & then the fighting in Normandy & through to the end of the war.
This a very well written account and includes poetry written by some of the gunners in his troop in the field in Normandy.
Yes I left my England
Not so very long ago
On a mission to free millions
Whose hearts were filled with woe.
Of course, I'm one of many
Hundreds went in before
Didn't I see the dead and wounded
As I set foot on the shore.
My heart went out in anger
When I saw one or two horrible sights
Good clean Flesh and Blood shed
So that millions could have their rights
God was with us on ‘D’ day
Of that you can be sure
Otherwise there would have been hundreds
In Eternal Sleep on that shore.
So let's pray that God be with us
All the rest of the way
While all of us keep in Remembrance
The lads that died on ‘D’ day
Hallo! ‘ere comes the blooming truck
Loaded up wiv lots o’ tuck
Wonder wot we've got today,
'Ope it's a change from yesterday.
Stewed steak we ‘ad the day before
Please Gord don't give us any more,
You and I know 1t's blooming good stuff
But when yer've ‘ad 'eaps it gets kinda tough
on Yer, when yer sleeps at nights;
O my Gord turn on them lights.
Stewed Steak, Stewed Steak! everywhere
Gordluvaduck anuver nightmare.
Now we look wiv anxious eyes'
Back to where that blooming truck lies
Nervous, biting fingernails
‘Ere it comes, go get it pals
Cautiousiy; open Compo lid
It ain't Stewed Steak-(bet half a quid)
Give me a cliff, I’ll dive over the edge
Mortar me quick its Meat and Veg!
Just three initials that stand for three words
Vital to your country at war
Poor, Bloody, Infantry, that's what they mean
A necessity to every Corps
Without them, battles would never be won
And victory erased from our sight
See them go in at the break of dawn
Silhouettes, in the coming light
The heavens open, daylight streaks through
The barrage has already ended
Comes the deadly splatter of Spandau guns
The objective is well defended,
but the P.B.I.'s courage never fails,
The advance through the weaving corn.
Many of them won't be back
to see another dawn.
Nerves are strained to breaking point.
There's eighty eights and machine guns galore
Tiger tanks in concrete boxes,
And snipers, a score or more.
Still they advance,these gallant men
Not knowing what they'll meet
On they go, because they know
There must be no retreat.
Of course the objective was taken
And they'll take many more.
Just give them a bit more credit.
And remember them after this war.
P.B.I. I salute you all,
and so should everyone.
Infantrymen , you're glorious:
Reap the harvest when its won
Anon Gunners 248 Battery 62st Anti-tank Regiment RA
I've been trying to find out more about my grandfathers experience pre normandy and during the campaign. To think someone in the 62nd wrote a book about their experiences! I can only hope that there might be a story or anecdote thats relevant. Ridiculously expensive but I found a copy and bought it.
Buteman has already given me a huge amount of info, but if by chance someone else here has a relative that was wounded (or worse...) around the 10th of October I'm trying to dig into the circumstances. Unfortunately there is nothing in the 246 battery war diaries from the 10th to 14th so whatever happened, how he was rescued is all a bit of a mystery. Cool to know that there is a whole group here though that want to remember.
My grandad was Gunner William Spencer in 246 Battery, on the incredibly off chance that somone has a record or note about him I'd be forever grateful!
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