8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

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    TNA Catalogue Reference: WO 205/1165

    Extract from -
    Tank Casualties Survey, NWE 1945 | WW2Talk

    8th Armoured Brigade - Sherman tanks
    994 - 4/7 Dragoon Guards
    - 13/18 Hussars
    996 - Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers
    - Staffordshire Yeomanry

    See other threads for further data, 1945 (Click on the "Topic Tag WO205/1165", just under the title, to bring up list of related threads)


    11th Armoured Division - Comet tanks
    7th Armoured Division - Cromwell tanks
    4th Armoured Brigade - Sherman tanks

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    Guards Armoured Division - Sherman and Cromwell tanks:
    2nd Armoured Battalion GRENADIER GUARDS
    1st Armoured Battalion COLDSTREAM GUARDS
    2nd Armoured Battalion IRISH GUARDS
    2nd Recce Battalion WELSH GUARDS


    Feel free to add information or to correct any errors
    If commenting on any particular post, please either quote it or give the Serial no. & Unit, eg H.19., Staffs Yeo

    Please also note that I have no knowledge of these units, so can't answer any questions about them. My personal interest lies solely with the GAD battalions.



    See also Need help. Panzerfaust or something bigger?
    13/18 Hussars
     

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    F.17., Regiment Not Known, Date Unknown


    B.71., 4/7 Dragoon Guards, 1 April 1945

    A.42., 4/7 Dragoon Guards, 3 April 1945
    F.14., 4/7 Dragoon Guards, 3 April 1945

    A.41., 4/7 Dragoon Guards, 7 April 1945

    B.72., 4/7 Dragoon Guards, 10 April 1945

    A.43., 4/7 Dragoon Guards, 12 April 1945

    A.45., 4/7 Dragoon Guards, 19 April 1945

    A.46., 4/7 Dragoon Guards, Date Unknown
    B.73., 4/7 Dragoon Guards, Date Unknown



    A.39., 13/18 Hussars, 28 March 1945

    A.138., 13/18 Hussars, Date Unknown
    B.74., 13/18 Hussars, Date Unknown
    B.29., 13/18 Hussars, Date Unknown



    A.63., Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers, 24 March 1945

    A.59., Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers, 1 April 1945

    A.60., Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers, Date Unknown
    A.58., Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers, Date Unknown
    A.148., Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers, Date Unknown
    A.149., Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers, Date Unknown
    A.150., Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers, Date Unknown
    A.151., Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers, Date Unknown
    B33., Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers, Date Unknown



    A.65., Staffordshire Yeomanry, 24 March 1945
    A.66., Staffordshire Yeomanry, 24 March 1945
    A.72., Staffordshire Yeomanry, 24 March 1945
    A.73., Staffordshire Yeomanry, 24 March 1945
    A.75., Staffordshire Yeomanry, 24 March 1945

    A.74., Staffordshire Yeomanry, 25 March 1945
    A.71., Staffordshire Yeomanry, 25 March 1945

    A.69., Staffordshire Yeomanry, 23 April 1945

    A.68., Staffordshire Yeomanry, Date Unknown
    A.76., Staffordshire Yeomanry, Date Unknown
    A.141., Staffordshire Yeomanry, Date Unknown
    A.67., Staffordshire Yeomanry, Date Unknown
     
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    Regiment: Regiment Not Known, 8th Armoured Brigade

    Serial No.: F.17.

    Mark: -

    W.D. No.: 271390

    Date: -

    Photo No.: 42

    Figure Nos.: 35,38
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: H.C. scoop

    Fire Damage: None

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Not Known

    Position of Hit: Through the open lid of the Co-Driver's hatch at its inner (upper) edge, and then through the sloping front of the casing over the 0.30 Browning on the right hand side of the turret. Hole through the hatch lid 45 mm. diameter. Triangular hole through the mounting of roughly 25 mm. sides.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Splash marks on the Browning. The hatch lid was clearly open when it was hit. No internal damage.

    Remarks: Tank seen. It had no Regimental signs on it, and ownership could not be traced.

    Fate of Crew: Not Known.
     
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    Regiment: 4/7 Dragoon Guards

    Serial No.: B.71.

    Mark: 1 c

    W.D. No.: 263478

    Date: 1 April 1945

    Photo No.: 23

    Figure Nos.: 13, 14
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: 10 yards

    Cause of Damage: H.C. penetration

    Fire Damage: Burnt out

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Stationary early morning. Turret found at 10 o'clock.

    Position of Hit: Penetration through side wall of left sponson behind forward sponson ammunition bin.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Tank completely burnt out.

    Remarks: Tank seen. It had Co-Driver's compartment ammunition removed and replaced by a Co-Driver and an extort wireless.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander: Dismounted
    Driver & Co-Driver: Unhurt
    Gunner: Wounded. a) compound fracture lower ⅓ of left tibia and fibula not yet united, 1 October 1945. X-rays showed 20, 0 - 50 mgm F.B's; 7, 50 - 250 mgm F.B's; 1, ¼ - 1 gm F.B.; 1 , 1 - 5 gm F.B.; b ) multiple wounds right leg and knee involving anterior tibial artery. X-rays showed 25, 0 - 50 mgm F.B's; 2, 50 - 250 mgm F.B's. Still in hospital 1 October 1945. Final medical Category Not Known.
    Operator: Wounded. Sole of right foot from which an F.B. stuck in oscalcis, was removed at operation. RTD 4/52. Category A.1.
     
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    Regiment: 4/7 Dragoon Guards

    Serial No.: A.42.

    Mark: III

    W.D. No.: 152104

    Date: 3 April 1945

    Photo No.: 8

    Figure Nos.: 4, 5, 7
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: A.P. Not Known. H.C. 30 yards.

    Cause of Damage: A.P. 75 mm. penetration and scoops. H.C. penetration and scoops.

    Fire Damage: -

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Stationary in village when fired on by infantry armed with hollow charge weapons, who made several hits on the front of the hull, none of which penetrated. The crew baled out and the tank was then fired at by an S.P. gun. Turret at 1 o'clock.

    Position of Hit: a) 76 mm. diameter A.P. penetration into right final drive; b ) partial A.P. penetration of front of hull to left of hull machine gun mounting; c) partial A.P. penetration of front of hull in front of Driver; d) A.P. scoops on left sprocket; e), f), g), h) and i) three A.P. scoops of front of hull one side, and one on front of turret; k) 45 mm. diameter H.C. penetration of left side of hull below sponson, between rear and middle bogie suspensions.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: No major internal damage. No fire.

    Remarks: Tank seen. The front of the hull was covered with track plates when the tank was first fired at, but these were subsequently knocked off.

    Fate of Crew: Unhurt. Crew baled out after the first two or three H.C. hits.
     
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    Regiment: 4/7 Dragoon Guards

    Serial No.: F.14.

    Mark: VI

    W.D. No.: 287750

    Date: 3 April 1945

    Photo No.: 41

    Figure Nos.: 35, 38
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: A.P. (75 mm.) penetration and scoop

    Fire Damage: Confined fire.

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Recce. Troop tank which went too far ahead and was lost. Turret found at 11.30 o'clock.

    Position of Hit: a) penetration through rear of turret about 90 mm., exit 80 mm. diameter at corner junction of front roof, and right side of the turret; b ) scoop through the base of the 0.3" Browning mounting by the side of the Commander.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Crew compartment completely burnt out. Engine apparently undamaged.

    Remarks: Tank seen. No detailed information since crew were captured.

    Fate of Crew: Unhurt. Probably not in tank when it was penetrated.
     
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    Regiment: 4/7 Dragoon Guards

    Serial No.: A.41.

    Mark: III

    W.D. No.: 151255

    Date: 7 April 1945

    Photo No.: -

    Figure No.: -

    Range: 1000 yards

    Cause of Damage: A.P. (A.T. gun) penetration

    Fire Damage: Burnt out

    Other tanks involved in same incident: At Iprump, a few miles South of Bremen. Tank stationary. Turret 11 o'clock.

    Circumstances: At IPRUMP, a few miles South of BREMEN. Tank stationary. Turret 11 o'clock.

    Position of Hit: Penetration through side wall of turret on operator's side.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Immediate fire

    Remarks: Tank not seen. Information from Squadron Leader and Driver, who got out through Co-Driver's hatch, since 75 mm. gun barrel was blocking his own.

    Fate of Crew:
    Driver & Co-Driver: Unhurt
    Commander: Killed. Body disintegrated by explosion of tank.
    Gunner: Burned and wounded; a) phosphorus burns left arm and back; b ) small fragment wound behind left ear. Healed in a few days. At Convalescent Depot 11 September 1945. Final category Not Known.
    Operator: Killed. Body disintegrated by explosion of tank.
     
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    Regiment: 4/7 Dragoon Guards

    Serial No.: B.72.

    Mark: V c

    W.D. No.: 232296

    Date: 10 April 1945

    Photo No.: -

    Figure No.: -

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: Not Known

    Fire Damage: Burnt out

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Travelling along road near HASELUNNE. Cause of damage Not Known, thought that H.C. projectile may have hit Commander, or grenade had been thrown into tank.

    Position of Hit: None found by Regiment.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Fire commenced at once, and proceeded to burn out the tank completely.

    Remarks: Tank not seen. Information from Squadron Leader.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander: Killed inside
    Gunner: Burned, and later killed outside by small arms fire.
    Operator: Trivial wounds (peppering of face when in tank). Wounded by small arms fire, after getting out.
    Driver: Unhurt in tank, killed outside by small arms fire.
     
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    Regiment: 4/7 Dragoon Guards

    Serial No.: A.43.

    Mark: III

    W.D. No.: 152950

    Date: 12 April 1945

    Photo No.: -

    Figure Nos.: 4, 5
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: 10 yards

    Cause of Damage: H.C. (Panzerfaust) penetration

    Fire Damage: Burnt out

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Tank moving at about 5 m.p.h. through the village of OSTERLINGEN. Turret at 12 o'clock.

    Position of Hit: Penetration into left forward sponson ammunition bin, through the quick fix armour from left side.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Tank caught fire and exploded almost at once.

    Remarks: Tank not seen. Information from Squadron Leader.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander: Burnt. a) Phosphorus burns hands and face, worse on the left side; b ) trivial flesh wound left calf. RTD 13/52. Category B. 6/12.
    Gunner: Killed. Body disintegrated.
    Operator: Burnt. Severe phosphorus burns face, neck and both hands and knees. Deformity of hands due to scarring and requiring plastic treatment. Still in hospital 1 November 1945. Final Category Not Known.
    Driver: Killed. Body disintegrated.
    Co-Driver: Killed. Body disintegrated.
     
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    Regiment: 4/7 Dragoon Guards

    Serial No.: A.45.

    Mark: III

    W.D. No.: 229850

    Date: 19 April 1945

    Photo No.: 7

    Figure No.: 6
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: A.P. scoop

    Fire Damage: None

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Moving at about 10 m.p.h. Turret at 12 o'clock

    Position of Hit: Shot from right rear scooped away the whole thickness of the lower rear corner of the quick-fix armour on the right side of the turret, which was not penetrated.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Co-Driver hit in head by the shot, and Driver hit in head by fragments. Turret ring damaged.

    Remarks: Tank seen. Information from Driver. Co-Driver and Driver were riding with their heads out. Neither wore a steel helmet.

    Fate of Crew:
    Turret Crew: Uninjured.
    Driver: Wounded. Scalp, one large laceration and a number of smaller ones. F.B. removed in hospital. RTD 352. Category A.1.
    Co-Driver: Killed. Severe head wounds.
     
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    Regiment: 4/7 Dragoon Guards

    Serial No.: A.46.

    Mark: III

    W.D. No.: 151168 [nb photo 15168]

    Date: Not Known

    Photo No.: 8

    Figure Nos.: 4, 7
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: A.P. scoop

    Fire Damage: None

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Not Known. Turret found at 7 o'clock

    Position of Hit: Scoop at centre of upper edge of gun mantlet.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: No internal damage.

    Remarks: Tank seen.

    Fate of Crew: No direct information about fate of crew, but they must have been unhurt since all regimental casualties were accounted for, whether or not they were in the tank when it was hit is Not Known.
     
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    Regiment: 4/7 Dragoon Guards

    Serial No.: B.73.

    Mark: 1 c

    W.D. No.: 263438

    Date: Not Known

    Photo No.: 22

    Figure No.: -

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: H.E. hit and premature (?)

    Fire Damage: None

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Not Known

    Position of Hit & Effect of Projectile: a) H.E. damage to right idler; b ) 17-pounder barrel split horizontally from about a foot from the mantlet to the end of the barrel. The top half of the barrel and muzzle brake were missing. No obvious internal damage.

    Remarks: Tank seen. No information from Regiment.

    Fate of Crew: Presumed unhurt since all casualties in the Regiment were accounted for.
     
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    Regiment: 13/18 Hussars

    Serial No.: A.39.

    Mark: V

    W.D. No.: 232471

    Date: 28 March 1945

    Photo No.: -

    Figure No.: -

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: A.P. 75 mm. penetration

    Fire Damage: Burnt out

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Not Known

    Position of Hit: Shot said to have penetrated obliquely from the left through the front left hand corner of the driving compartment.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Shot passed back into the turret. Tank was burnt out.

    Remarks: Tank not seen. Information from Squadron Officers.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander: a) flesh wounds both calves; b ) left foot (from which a superficial F.B. of unknown size was removed; c) left buttock. Discharged 24/52. Category E.
    Gunner: Superficial Wounds; a) left elbow, and b ) thigh. The former involved the ulnar nerve. Still in hospital 3 October 1945.
    Operator & Driver: Killed
    Co-Driver: Not in tank
     
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    Regiment: 13/18 Hussars

    Serial No.: A.138.

    Mark: III

    W.D. No.: 152032

    Date: Not Known

    Photo No.: -

    Figure No.: -

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: H.C. penetration

    Fire Damage: Confined fire

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Stationary when hit

    Position of Hit: Penetration into the final drive from front

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Details of internal damage Not Known. Fire was confined to the front compartment.

    Remarks: Tank not seen. Information from Squadron Officers.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander, Operator and Co-Driver: Unhurt.
    Driver: 1 and 2 degree burns right side of face, ear and left hand. RTD in 11/52. Category A.1.
    Gunner: 1 and 2 degree burns face and hands. RTD in 12/52.
     
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    Regiment: 13/18 Hussars

    Serial No.: B.74.

    Mark: 1 c

    W.D. No.: 263610

    Date: Not Known

    Photo No.: -

    Figure No.: -

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: A.P. 75 mm. penetrations

    Fire Damage: Not Known

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Not Known. Turret at 3 or 9 o'clock

    Position of Hit: a) penetration obliquely through the rear of the wireless bulge just above its lower edge; b ) penetration through the side of the hull opposite the clutch compartment. Exact positions of penetrations Not Known.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: a) went across the turret and dented the far side; b ) damage caused Not Known. Fire confined to turret.

    Remarks: Tank not seen. Information from Brigade workshops and from the Squadron Officers.

    Fate of Crew: Whole crew killed, probably by shot a) as b ) did not penetrate the crew compartment.
     
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    Regiment: 13/18 Hussars

    Serial No.: B.29.

    Mark: 1 c

    W.D. No.: 263633

    Date: Not Known

    Photo No.: 22 - 23

    Figure Nos.: 17, 19
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: H.C. penetration and scoop

    Fire Damage: Confined fire.

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Second tank in a column crossing a canal outside HENGELO. Turret at 12 o'clock.

    Position of Hit: a) scoop on the bracket for the .50 Browning mounting on the roof of the turret; b ) scoop on the base of the 17-pounder barrel; c) penetration 10 mm. in diameter through a track plate welded on to the front of the hull, and then through the glacis plate opposite the Driver.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Turret and front compartments were burnt out. The Driver was killed, probably hit by the jet from shot c).

    Remarks: Tank seen. Details about the crew were uncertain, but it is likely that the injuries they received were burns, as it is known that the Gunner died of severe burns.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander: Slightly wounded (?burns) P.O.W.
    Gunner: Died of Wounds. Severe burns face and all limbs.
    Operator: Slightly wounded (?burns) P.O.W.
    Driver: Killed.
     
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    Regiment: Staffordshire Yeomanry

    Serial No.: A.63.

    Mark: V DD

    W.D. No.: 211883

    Date: 24 March 1945

    Photo No.: 10 [nb photo swapped with A.68]

    Figure Nos.: 8, 12
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: 1000 yards

    Cause of Damage: A.P. 75 mm. penetration

    Fire Damage: Burnt out

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Outside BIENEN on the night of the Rhine crossing. Was reversing down a dyke after coming under 20 mm. fire, when hit. Turret at 11 o'clock when seen (see below).

    Position of Hit: Penetration through the rounded top of the turret in front of the Operator's periscope, making an oval hole 100 x 75 mm.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: The tank was burnt out and "exploded", so that it was not not possible to trace the path of the projectile. The Operator could have been hit by the shot.

    Remarks: Tank seen. The turret had been blown off the ring and displaced to the right about a foot, so that its orientation may have been altered after the strike.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander, Gunner, Driver and Co-Driver: Unhurt.
    Operator: Killed.
     
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    Regiment: Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers

    Serial No.: A.59.

    Mark: V

    W.D. No.: 288593

    Date: 1 April 1945

    Photo No.: 16

    Figure Nos.: 8, 10
    8th Armoured Brigade, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: 20 yards

    Cause of Damage: H.C. penetration

    Fire Damage: Confined fire

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Moving into CLOPPENBURG, was fired at from the first floor of a house. Turret found at 12 o'clock.

    Position of Hit: Penetration 25 mm. diameter through the top of the left hand side of the turret in front of and above the revolver port.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Inside diameter of hole 16 mm. Jet appears to have gone across the turret and hit the opposite side, above the Commander's seat. The turret and front compartments had been burnt, but not the engine. The Commander and Operator might have been hit by the jet.

    Remarks: Tank seen.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander and Operator: Killed
    Gunner: Superficial wound face, with injury to right eye. Multiple minute F.B's superficially in face. Discharged hospital in 16/52. Category E.
    Driver and Co-Driver: Unhurt.
     
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    Regiment: Nottinghamshire Yeomanry Sherwood Rangers

    Serial No.: A.60.

    Mark: V

    W.D. No.: 289511

    Date: 1500 yards

    Photo No.: -

    Figure No.: -

    Range: 1500 yards

    Cause of Damage: A.P. penetration

    Fire Damage: Burnt out

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Was going through a village in second gear. Position of turret Not Known.

    Position of Hit: Penetration through right hand side of the turret at the level of the Gunner's head.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Details of internal damage Not Known. Caught fire immediately.

    Remarks: Tank not seen. Information from Squadron Officers.

    Fate of Crew:
    Driver and Co-Driver : Unhurt.
    Commander, Gunner and Operator: Killed.
     

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