A tank a day keeps Politicians at bay.

Discussion in 'The Barracks' started by von Poop, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. Vintage Wargaming

    Vintage Wargaming Well-Known Member

    Few more Vickers Armstrong photos,mainly of the same vehicles: 66 1 Carden Loyd wheel and track 1926.jpg 94.jpg 56 3 Vickers Reconnaissance Car.jpg 56 1 Vickers Reconnaissance Car.jpg
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  2. Robert-w

    Robert-w Well-Known Member

    The top picture is of the Carden Loyd One Man Tank Mk III produced in 1926 before Vickers took over the Carden Loyd Tractor Company. A contemporary review pronounced that it was very difficult for one man to drive it and operate the gun and also that the driving position was very uncomfortable and very hot. As a result Vickers produced the Carden Loyd MkV a two seater wheel and track in 1927 50 were produced. The speed difference between wheel and track operation was so narrow that the Carden Loyd Mk VI of 1929 was track only and the first of a line ending in the universal, bren, mortar carrier etc.
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  3. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian researcher

    I like the potentially tracked staff car. Anyone have info about it?
  4. Robert-w

    Robert-w Well-Known Member

    Not intended as a staff car - it was a test bed for the track system. Large touring cars were used to test track systems - for example the snake track system used on the Medium D was first fitted to a car

    The Russians experimented with a ski and track staff car. Lenin took it over as his personal transport.
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  5. Robert-w

    Robert-w Well-Known Member

    The Egyptians produced a Centurion Dozer that used (maybe still is) to be parked in the Cairo Citadel. If I could find a way to post images without changing my browser I'd post one of it.
  6. Vintage Wargaming

    Vintage Wargaming Well-Known Member

    It’s the Vickers Reconnaissance Car
  7. Robert-w

    Robert-w Well-Known Member

  8. Vintage Wargaming

    Vintage Wargaming Well-Known Member

    All I can go on is the caption Vickers wrote for the photo in their works photo album
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  9. Robert-w

    Robert-w Well-Known Member

    Which is incorrect
  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron


    Be a good lad in your very well versed replies which ooze with knowledge in many areas and try to say perhaps

    Ah the caption I do not believe it to be correct and here is the evidence dah de de dah dah
    Instead of the continued smart arse way put down replies

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  11. Vintage Wargaming

    Vintage Wargaming Well-Known Member

    The manufacturers described it in 1926 as the Vickers Reconnaissance Car - wheel-cum-track 1926.

    Presumably they were also incorrect in captioning photos as Light Tank MK Ia and Mk IIa as they were later referred to as Vickers Medium Tanks.

    CL1 - thanks for your comment, we Clives need to stick together. Unless my name is incorrect. I'm sure someone will tell me.
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  12. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    Urban Dictionary
    You are so lucky if you have a Clive in your life. They are hysterical and aren't afraid to stand up for people the care about. They have the best dance moves. They usually have brown hair. They are usually very strong and aren't afraid to wrestle a friend or family. They know how to have fun. If you have a Clive in your life keep him in your life.
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  13. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA Patron

  14. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic Patron

    Bearing in mind that 'The Thing' is approaching fast, I hope this doesn't mean that this excellent thread will be extinguished come Friday morning.....
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  15. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    It may be even more necessary, depending on how 'The Thing' unfolds.

    Clive for PM.
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  16. Robert-w

    Robert-w Well-Known Member

    Your tone is objectionable
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  17. Robert-w

    Robert-w Well-Known Member

    Manufacturers often played fast and loose with publicity photograph captions. I have already attached a link to a photo of the VRC

    And I'm sure that rumours of your connection with India are entirely false :smug:
  18. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    No fighting in the War Tank room!


    The Centurion.

    People will argue over the state of British WW2 tanks forever. 'The Cupboard was bare', 'Death by design', yada yada yada.
    I know that they were all the work of serious people, wanting to defeat a belligerent enemy that had worked hard to give itself a head start on armour designs with which it might conquer the world.
    I also know those same people, caught on the back foot, after a few years of struggle, gave us the Centurion.

    The concept worked to may have been a 'Universal Tank', but that term is for us nerdy types that follow the area.
    This is the birth of the MBT - Main Battle Tank. An all-rounder that balances Mobility/Firepower/Protection to an absolute T.
    Some say Tiger or Panther were the first, with BFGs & hefty armour within clever packages - I say they're wrong, as they're missing the things that polish off Centurion's world-beating reign - reliability, serviceability, adaptability, simplicity, longevity etc.
    All very well to have good factors together - not so good if you can't fully trust them to arrive on the battlefield or be relatively easy to sustain in a long fight; whether hindered by slave labour, fragile engines, weird transport tracks & so on. And where's yer Tiger Bridgelayer? ARV? AVRE?
    If you bought Centurion, you bought a solid trustworthy package. Something that represented the next generation after WW2 designs despite it's slender period of wartime introduction.

    Produced into the 60s - modified, refitted, adapted to the nuclear battlefield, still fighting - into the 90s. And if you see the Saffer's Olifant as a Centurion variant (debatable) - still in service today. (With the Jordanians & Israelis also fielding them as the basis of recovery & APC machines.)

    You can sort of age other nerds by which tank was Britain's MBT when they were a kid - mine was Chieftain, but for many more it was Centurion, because it was ubiquitous, and bought by so many countries.

    Not bad for something with a 1943 genesis from a nation that's too often dismissed as crap at WW2 tanks.
    So there. And no returns.

    Such a shame they ditched the Polsten... I know, I know, but it had a certain something...

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    Disabled_Centurion_tank_at_Imjin_AWM_HOBJ2237.jpg Centurion_tanks_in_Tel-Aviv_IDF_parade_1965.jpg Centurion_Israeli_army_israel_main_battle_tank_heavy_armoured_vehicle_004.jpg 18abd83349b4a20845ee1d17effe3590.jpg 4076125.JPG Nagmachon01.jpg Nakpadon03.jpg 1280px-PumaAPC01.jpg map.jpg olifant_tank1.jpg Annotation 2019-12-08 004910.jpg Centurion_ARV_II_Tank.jpg 6835a8bc072cd06d11437c5315775c8d.jpg ed56fee2b407d54567bfbec300029372.jpg 108454-4e8b62acf07645d4c5ab5c9f4175a6dd.jpg n4dtp4m.jpg 0mxjb1w5v0011.jpg

    See that.
    That's a nearly new Aussie Cent (169041) that was placed, running, fully bombed & fuelled up with a dummy crew, 500 yards from ground zero of a 9KT A-Bomb.
    It bounced several feet & took it hard, the crew would certainly have been killed... But it was driven out, and went on to serve in Vietnam.

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  19. Robert-w

    Robert-w Well-Known Member

    Attached to REME in the late 70s there were still a lot of people who would have been happy to return the Chieftains to store and draw Centurions again. Far far easier to maintain in the field.

    I still have my Dinky toy Centurion from the 50s although the tracks have perished
  20. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA Patron

    I'm 64 and American but Matchbox didn't have an American tank so:

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    Not mine, unfortunately, but had one
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