A tank a day keeps Politicians at bay.

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  1. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    One-eyed stick-leaning photography. Cobbaton, 26th October 2019. Tank(s) for the memory!

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.
     

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  2. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian researcher

    That beautiful machine deserves better treatment!
     
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  3. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    Brilliant! Haven't seen that for a number of years but at least the previously shortened gun has been replaced.

    Mk1a Comet - a truly rare beast especially with the plain rear plate (no blankiing plates for the later Fishtail Exhausts) - in need of tender loving care and attention.

    Previous (alleged) owner:
    Charging Bull = 11th Armoured Division
    52 = 3 RTks aka 3RTR aka 3rd Battalion Royal Tank Regiment
    Not sure about the T census number as to whether it's accurate or simply a figment of someone's imagination...and it's missing a name but, hey ho, that's not important is it...
     
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  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Still on a theme

    The House of Commons, Parliament, UK - Vintage Excelsior 3D Stereoview Card
    THE HOUSE OF COMMONS,
    LONDON
    PUBLISHED BY
    EXCELSIOR STEREOSCOPIC TOURS
    PUBLICATION DATE UNKNOWN
    VINTAGE STEREOVIEW CARD
    STANDARD 3 1/2 X 7 INCH SIZE
    [​IMG]
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Since it isn't already melted down into a hundred thousand low quality screwdrivers or smashed into fragments on a range, then all is essentially well.

    In good hands.
     
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  6. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    For Adam, SDP, Chris C, and all you other good folks on this thread (and site!)

    More "Cobbaton Comet", with a couple of extracts from their handbook which go some way to explaining the labour of love that is The Cobbaton Combat Collection.

    The people there are top folks, every one.

    For SDP in particular, "C" Squadron?

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.

    P.S. I'll put other stuff (eye/time permitting) on existing and appropriate Cobbaton and Horsa threads (the main reason I was kindly taken to visit, having last been to Cobbaton in the mid-eighties).
     

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  7. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    Yes, it's C Squadron (circle) and also in yellow which is the correct colour for 3RTR.

    Just now need to know whether the T number is real or imaginary although it's worth pointing out that this number was not allocated to any Comet (Comets were allocated numbers in the range T334901 to T337900).
     
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  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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    The German Mark IV.

    Might as well get it over with. Significant.
    'Robart der Hauchdunne' (Redbeard the thin-skinned) to its later crews.
    The only German front-liner to be in production for the duration (Only tank of any nation? Can't recall.), if somewhat rarer for Fall Gelb than the Kriegsberichters might have you believe.
    A bit shagged out by war's end, with weight shredding tyres & running out of space for BFGs, but somebody got something roughly right.
    The basis for a multitude of things from Artillery pieces to furniture wagons.
    Surely an inspiration for the Daleks, & a ubiquitous sign of 'The Germans are here' whatever the WW2 Theatre.

    Too easy to find pictures, so, errrm, lots of pictures.

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  9. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    I like the one towing the beer barrels trailer :)
     
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  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Mr. Stokes
    16 March 1943
    Volume 387


    asked the Secretary of State for War when the German Mark IV tank, equipped with a 76-mm. gun, firing a 14-pound shell, with effective range of 3,000, was first used against our forces in Egypt and Libya?

    Sir J. Grigg


    The hon. Member is doubtless referring to the 7·5 cm. gun which has been the main armament of the German Mark IV tank since the beginning of the war. An improved version of this gun was fitted to a proportion of these tanks and was encountered in action for the first time in September of last year.


    German Mark Iv Tank (Armament) - Hansard
     
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  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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    The A1e1 Independent.

    What a tragic aesthetic turn armour design took when the 'Land Battleships' were finally put aside.
    Yeah, maybe not so good for all that 'winning wars' & 'being useful' stuff, but give me an Independent alongside a moustachioed officer in riding gear with a small and nasty dog over any of this stealthy turbine-powered 'effective' modern stuff any day.
    Perhaps throw in a furtive Russian spy scuttling into the distance & the picture's complete.
    The wide-skirted hang of the thing!

    Sure I heard the Bov one was all there, running gear & engine restorable?
    Wouldn't that be something.

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    I see Accurate Armour do a kit.
    It's quite expensive... k086_2.jpg
     
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  12. Robert-w

    Robert-w Well-Known Member

    The Soviets followed up.
    The Soviet authorities did not share Western governments’ reluctance to spend money on tank development and created many armoured units. Tank development in the USSR during the 1930s was significantly influenced by British designs. The Soviets were prepared to adopt and develop British designs ignored by the British government. Thus the T26 light tank was developed from the Vickers 6 Ton Tank; between 1930 and 1941 production of all variants of the T26 totalled 12,000 vehicles. In the Spanish Civil War T26s proved totally superior to the German and Italian tanks supporting the Nationalists. The T28 was the principle Soviet medium tank between 1932 and 1941; its design reflected that of the Vickers A6 medium tank. The principle heavy tank used by Soviet armoured formations in the same period was the T35; this was a giant ‘land battleship’ that might be described as a scaled up Independent. Four auxiliary turrets two of which were armed with 37mm guns and two with machine guns surrounded one large turret armed with a 76mm gun. An anti aircraft machine gun could be mounted on the turret hatch and a second machine gun was sometimes fitted in a port on the rear of the main turret. In later models the 37mm guns were replaced with larger 45mm weapons. Production of the T35 totalled 61 tanks which equipped the 5th Independent Heavy Tank Brigade.


    The T35 was an impressive machine (to the layman at least), seeing a formation of these rumble by at the annual May Day parade who could doubt the military supremacy of the USSR? (Certainly no one who wished to stay out of the Gulags would be heard to express any doubts.) Indeed so impressive was the T35 as a propaganda tool that the Red Army had difficulty in prizing enough of these machines away from Moscow and the parade grounds to form operational units.
    The giant T35 was a most impressive tank – provided one did not have to use it for fighting anybody. In 1939 the Soviet Union went to war with Finland and the T35s were deployed to the front. In the course of this war (known in Finland as the Winter War 1939 –1940) the T35 proved completely inadequate. Its armour was not heavy enough to withstand the relatively light anti tank guns used by the Finns. The guns mounted in the Finnish light tanks could knock out a T35 (ironically the Finns were also users of the Vickers 6 Ton Tank). Its length made it cumbersome and unmanoeuvrable, especially in the heavily forested areas where much fighting took place and it could not easily fire any of its multiple guns unless first halted. These problems made it very vulnerable to anti tank ambushes by the very mobile Finnish infantry. The concept of multi turreted heavy tanks being able to operate independently was exploded (as were many of the tanks). The T35s needed infantry protection and, being major gas guzzlers, were very dependant upon a retinue of soft skinned tanker lorries. These convoys were cut to pieces by Finnish ski troops. The Germans quickly knocked out those T35s that survived the Winter War when they invaded the USSR in 1941.


    Even before the Winter War some younger Soviet tank designers had expressed doubts about the thickness of armour on the T35 and the five turreted tank concept in general and were able to persuade Stalin not to proceed with proposals for new designs on the lines of the T35. A compromise was arrived at and a specification was agreed for a giant twin turreted tank. Two types of tank were built to meet this, the SMK and the T100. They were nearly identical and each had a two tiered turret arrangement, the upper one with a 76mm gun and the other a 45mm cannon. Seven examples of each tank were built. A single turreted version of the SMK was also built as a prototype (five being completed). This was called the KV Tank (after one of Stalin’s friends Klimenti Voroshilov). One SMK and two KV prototypes were sent to Finland in 1939. In an attack on Finnish bunkers the SMK’s armour proved effective but it was difficult to steer, the driver’s vision was very limited, the main turret traverse failed and it was finally knocked out by running over a Finnish mine. The KVs were more effective (and one did manage to survive a Finnish mine). At about this time Soviet intelligence received information that Germany was developing tanks with much thicker armour that the 76mm gun would not be able to penetrate. The SMK and T100 would both be obsolete as it would be very difficult if not impossible to up gun them. The single turreted KV did have the potential to support a bigger turret and gun and was therefore selected as the basis for future Soviet heavy tank development. The KVs were eventually developed into the Stalin Tank.
     
  13. Vintage Wargaming

    Vintage Wargaming Well-Known Member

    there is a much more affordable resin model in 1/72 from Giesbers.

    The Bovington one is the one and only- just the one prototype ever produced.

    There is a David Fletcher Tank Chat from the Tank Museum

     
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  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    When: 30 September 2015, 13:00-16:00 Where: Room A1E1, European ... a Dutch-Canadian initiative in the UN Human Rights Council to set up an independent inquiry
    Results for ‘nitpmail, 2’
     
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  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Can anyone else remember a story in the Victor comic from the 70s when a posh chap buys an Independent & crews it with his servants & goes off to fight in France in 1940 ?
    That was first time I ever learnt of the A1e1.
     
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  16. idler

    idler GeneralList

    If you must include Independents, can't we relax the rule just a little bit?
     
  17. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian researcher

    I know this is not an Independent but I got it today and it's a tank? Perhaps it will protect my laptop from theft.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Vintage Wargaming

    Vintage Wargaming Well-Known Member

    As it is a picture of a Matilda it will make it run much more slowly.
     
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  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    7
    The Harry Hopkins.

    Last of the lights.
    Not sure it keeps politicos at bay, given its namesake.
    Always think it looks very modern. Though whenever I do think of it I remember how little I know about it in any depth.
    Crying out for a detailed book outlining more precisely why the project fell apart.

    Some Alecto-ish pics thrown in.

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  20. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    the Prime Minister would leave Scotland on 4 August, sailing on HMS Prince of Wales. He would be accompanied by Admiral Pound, General Dill, Air Marshal Freeman, Harry Hopkins and Sir Alexander Cadogan. The President in turn notified the Prime Minister that he would bring Admiral Stark, General Marshall, General Arnold and Sumner Welles.



    BBC - WW2 People's War - Timeline
     
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