Any ideas re this document please?

Discussion in 'RAC & RTR' started by Elise, May 20, 2019.

  1. Elise

    Elise Member


    I have a 'Diary of transference record' with the information:

    No. 7836172
    Rank TPR
    Unit R.A.C 4.T.S.B.D
    Diagnosis I.D.K LT
    Area 4

    Does anyone have any idea what any of this means please? It belonged to my great granddad but I can't find any of his records on any war record sites. He drove tanks in WW2 That's all I know really and he passed away a few of years ago.
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Elise

    You will NOT find any WW2 service records online, some sites draw you in with the impression that they hold records but in fact it is the MOD who have them. If you want a copy you need to fill in the forms found at this link - Request records of deceased service personnel, include a cheque and also a copy of his death certificate [data protection laws], you do not need a service number but if you have one it will help corroborate the details on the form you have filled in

    The RAC is for Royal Armoured Corps and his rank TPR is for Trooper - but for certainty the rest needs to be read from his service records, guesswork needs too be avoided

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  3. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

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  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    The only real reference I can find to 'I D K' as a diagnosis is - Internal Derangement of the Knee - which might tie in with the medical card and the Lt meaning 'light'

    This where the records become invaluable

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  5. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Army Forms & Attestations: Army Form W.3118 - Field Medical Card

    Army Field Medical Card W3118 : Lance Corporal A H Lee, 3 Machine Gun Company, AIF

    Field medical card : Army form W3118

    A few of these seem to be related to WW1, but perhaps were carried over to WW2, can I ask the date of birth?

    IF (big if) the number 7836172 is a service number:

    Do you wish to give a name as it is possible, especially if he was injured, he may appear in WW2 casualty lists. Nevertheless, if you are interested in researching his army career then service records, as suggested above, are the way to go.
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  6. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

  7. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Good find Guy, perhaps Elise could confirm the correct man?

    7886172 TOMLINSON Tpr A, 7 RTR date of casualty 20.6.1942
    Middle East/Cyrenacia
    Casualty List 885 dated 25 July 1942, Reported missing
    Casualty list 970 dated 2 November 1942, Previously reported missing now POW
    Casualty list 1792 dated 26 June 1945, Previously reported POW in German hands now not POW

    If we are on the right track then someone around here may be able to advise what action the regiment were involved in on 20 June 1942. The casualty lists report a very large number of RTR men missing that day.
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  8. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Tobruk 20th June 1942
    1941 – 1942
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  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: A Tomlinson
    Rank: Trooper
    Army Number: 7886172
    Regiment: Reconnaissance Corps
    POW Number: 129826
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: VII-A
    Camp Location: Moosburg an der Isar, Bavaria

  10. Elise

    Elise Member

    Thanks for the responses. Unfortunately that's not him sorry, his name is Leslie Simnett born 1920.
  11. ypres5

    ypres5 Junior Member

    Can't find anything on FMP, with that name..
  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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  13. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Elise, sorry for the duff information, coincidence on the similar numbers. That name does not appear in the British Army casualty lists which are about the only WW2 information that is available, so his individual service records are the way to go. Servicemen's medical records are still considered private so are not sent out.
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  14. Elise

    Elise Member

    Thanks for checking regardless. Yeh I think I'll see if I can get hold of any records from the national archives. :)
  15. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    A recent request for records from the MOD, that due to high demand, it will take around three months to arrive.

    PS, You won't get any service records from the National archives.
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  16. Elise

    Elise Member

    Cool thanks. I do a fair bit of genealogy research but I've never looked at military records before so this is all new (as you can probably tell) haha. Thanks for all the advice.
  17. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Once you have his service records [from the MOD] they will tell you which units he was with, when he was with them and where they were, the next step would probably be to find the War Diaries for those units at the times he was with them. These War Diaries (WD or WD's) are kept at The National Archives (TNA) - but you need to know which ones, hence the need for service records. The WD's literally are diaries written up on a day to day basis, and normally the only people named in them would be officers, although NCO's are sometimes mentioned if there was something very specific so dont expect to see your relatives name on every page

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  18. Elise

    Elise Member

    Thanks :)
  19. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Leslie E Simnett registered 4th Qtr 1920 Burton on Trent. Mothers Maiden Name: Prior.

    There's a Leslie T Simnett (Edward/Ted?) marriage also in Burton in 1st Qtr 1946. Spouse: Rebecca Jerrison.
  20. Elise

    Elise Member

    That's him lol

    What index did you find that in plz? :)

    Leslie T Simnett. Burton. Married to Rebecca A Jerrison.

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