Army Film & Photo Section (PR)

Discussion in 'British Army Units - Others' started by dbf, Mar 4, 2010.

  1. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    It's easy enough to check using Geoff's Wonderful Search Engine !

    Here's the first one.

    EMMETT, BERNARD
    Initials: B
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Private
    Regiment/Service: The King's Regiment (Liverpool)
    Secondary Unit Text: attd. 5 Army Film Photo Sec.
    Age: 22
    Date of Death: 06/06/1944
    Service No: 3782008
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 13, Column 1.
    Memorial: BAYEUX MEMORIAL

    Could the lack of graves for each of the three suggest a loss at sea ?
     
  2. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    Paul Reed...
    You posted a link which indicates that the Bayeux Memorial remembers three in No. 5 Army Film & Photographic Section who died on D-Day.
    Very intriguing.
    Do you have any more info about these casualties? Are they actually listed on the memorial as being with 5 AFPS?
    I ask because (a) the AFPU didn't have privates other than transport staff (drivers, despatch riders), usually on attachment from RASC, (b) AFPU transport didn't arrive until a few days after D-Day, and (c) if these chaps are such, wouldn't they be remembered under their parent units, corps, brigades or whatever?

    CWGC quotes King's Regt (Liverpool), but attached to 5 AFPU. Most likely listed as King's Regt on the Bayeux Memorial. I am going to photograph all of the panels to post on the Forum soon. I'll keep a note of your Forum name and advise you when I've done it.

    Cheers - Rob
     
  3. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hello and welcome to the forum NPMS

    Do you intend to publish your father's biography?
     
  4. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Using Lee's search engine, I found the following TNA Catalogue refs for Army Film & Photo War Diaries

    WO 169/6825 Army Film and Photograph Unit 1942 Jan.- Dec.

    WO 169/8390 1 Army Film and Photo Sec. 1943 Jan.- Dec.
    WO 169/15725 1 Army Film and Photo Sec. 1944 Jan.- Dec.
    WO 169/22944 1 Army Films and Photo Sec. 1946 Jan., Feb., May, June

    WO 175/1337 2 Army Film and Photograph Sec. 1942 Aug.- 1943 May
    WO 169/8391 2 Army Film and Photo Sec. 1943 July- Dec.
    WO 170/7364 2 Army Film and Photograph Sec. 1945 Jan.- Aug.

    WO 169/8667 4 Army Film and Photographic Section (PR) returns 1943 July-Sept.


    WO 171/3799 5 Army Film and Photo Sec. 1944 Apr. - Dec.
    WO 171/8336 5 Sec. 1945 Jan.- Dec.
    WO 171/10143 5 Sec. 1946 Jan.- Apr.

    Arcre - British Army War Diary Search Engine by Lee Richards (c)2011
     
  5. NPMS

    NPMS Junior Member

    Diane...

    Thanks for your welcome. Most kind.
    Yes, I do intend to publish my Dad's biography. The (not quite) final manuscript is currently being considered by some publishers who I hope will allow me to keep its current title, "When You're Smiler".

    Here's an extract from the synopsis...

    Eddy “Smiler” Smales was an accidental pioneer in British feature films in the 1930s, combat filming in the 1940s and television news in the 1950s. His is an extraordinary tale of an ordinary bloke whose lot in life was not to make History, but to be there to film bits of it happening.
    When You’re Smiler gives a personal perspective on the dramatic evolution of factual film and television in the mid-20th Century set against the social, political and military history of the times. It tells tales of halcyon days in the British film industry and of the foundation and operation of BBC TV News during its first 25 years, but its primary focus is on Smiler’s part in the ground-breaking Army Film & Photographic Unit and its development and operation in North Africa and Europe during WW2.
    The forgotten heroes of the AFPU never get the credit they deserve. When You’re Smiler attempts to put that right by relating the how the Unit came to be and evolved to produce an outstanding visual record, and by telling stories of Smiler's exploits in 1 and 5 AFPS. It also includes an original and most definitive record of the men (and one woman) who served in or alongside the AFPU in some role at some stage.

    My eagerness to get that record as complete and comprehensive as possible is why I asked about the privates remembered on the Bayeux Memorial.
    Please excuse my naivety as a new boy, but where do I find "Geoff's wonderful search engine" as nudged by Rich?
     
  6. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Here's the link
    Geoff's 1939-47 Search Engine
    Geoff's search engine IS wonderful


    Thanks for the blurb, fingers crossed for publication soon.

    Would you care to post a photo of your father here?
     
  7. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Film units provide so much visual history: - WW Rare Color film D Day 1944.
    World War II The lost color archives (the spelling shows the unit!)
     
  8. NPMS

    NPMS Junior Member

    My dad Eddy "Smiler" Smales was one of the original AFPU cameramen in 1 AFPS.
    He served from 1/42 to 6/43 in Syria, Transjordan & Palestine (as it then was), through Egypt (including at Alamein) to Libya & Tunisia. He was one of the cameramen on "Desert Victory", released 6/3/43.

    The first task for 2 AFPS was to cover the First Army's invasion of Algiera (8/11/42)and, from there, east into Tunisia (12/42 to 2/43). Sgt Martin Wilson was with 2 AFPS in the advance from Algiera into Tunisia, which is where he won his MM.

    In Tunisia, 2 AFPS met up with 1 AFPS who had come east from Libya with the Eighth Army. Once Montgomery's plan to invade Italy started cooking, it was decided that 2 AFPS would cover the invasion reinforced by some who transferred from 1 AFPS, including Sgt Billy Jordan (who also won the MM in Tunisia). Jordan's book "A Cameraman for All Reasons" appeared in 1999.

    Eventually, Wilson transferred to 5 AFPS which had started by covering the build-up to and the invasion on D-Day, and then went with the (non-US) Allied advance all the way to Berlin, including the Luneberg Heath surrender on 4/5/45. By then, Wilson was a lieutenant leading coverage of Belsen-Bergen, although Sgts Ian Grant and Peter Norris were the first AFPU men there on 16/4/45.

    My dad arrived in Normany on D+6 (12/6/44) and finally got home on 7/8/45. Along the way, he covered (among other things) the fall of Caen, Operation Totalise (the northern pincer at Falaise Gap), the liberation of the Lower Seine and Operation Astonia (to take Le Havre), Operation Infatuate (to take Walcheren and open the Schelde access to Antwerp), Operation Turnscrew (across the Rhine), the capture of Bremen and the ruins of Berlin. He was at Luneberg too, but not in Monty's tent.

    My dad's story will be told in "When You're Smiler", a biography I hope to get published later this year (2011). It takes a more personal perspective than McGlade's book but it will, I hope, add to the general understanding and appreciation of the contribution made by the AFPU as a whole to military tactics and wartime propaganda at the time, and to historical knowledge since. It will include a detailed appendix that lists over 400 people who served with or alongside the AFPU in some role at some stage.
     
  9. NPMS

    NPMS Junior Member

    Whoops!

    Should have added that everyone in AFPU were officially on attachment from their original units. They all wore the same AFPU shoulder badge and their uniforms gradually became more contiguous, but you could tell their origins by what was on their heads. Unit photos show a right old hotch-potch of hats, caps and berets.

    Dad had been TA, then RA and eventually ROAC just days before he was accepetd in the AFPU in 11/41, so he was on attachment from something he never really knew.
     
  10. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    2 threads about Army Film and Photo section merged.
     
  11. NPMS

    NPMS Junior Member

    Hmmm. Merger of two threads has me looking repitious (sorry about that) but, more importantly, has also lost my post about Major Roy Oliver.

    Oliver did a fantastic job with AFPU chaps as PRO both on D-Day (arriving D+1) and at Arnhem, where he parachuted in with Sgt Mike Lewis to join Sgts Gordon Walker & Dennis Smith, who arrived by glider with a team of team signallers, censors and civillian correspodents. These are the three guys on the cover of McGlade's book. Smith took all the stills and was eventually (Jan 46) awarded the MM largely (but not only) because of his bravery on this mission.

    Not only was Oliver a comms whizzkid (the only radio link to Montgomery, Eisenhower & Churchill) but he led this team of non-combatants to safety when it all went pearshaped - and personally saved loads of exposed still and cine-film when he was shot by a sniper and fell into the Maas while escaping. If it hadn't been for him, more than half the stills and movie footage now in archives would've been swept into the North Sea.

    Strangely, it wasn't the British who recognised this but the Americans, who awarded him the US Silver Star.
     
  12. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hmmm. Merger of two threads has me looking repitious (sorry about that) but, more importantly, has also lost my post about Major Roy Oliver.

    Don't worry: threads were merged because they were already repeating the topic - we're used to such things here, so the note I placed should cover that.

    Can't really see how merging could lose a post, as the process actually gathers together everything that's in already in both threads; it doesn't involve deleting anything on the way.

    Perhaps you 'timed out'?
    See here: http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/suggestions-feedback/29900-why-does-ww2-log-you-out-after-certain-time.html
    Many of us have learnt to just do a quick copy of text before hitting the submit button, just in case. ;)
     
  13. NPMS

    NPMS Junior Member

    Thanks for the advice, dbf, but I think what happened was that I posted just as you merged, then didn't check at the time. No problems. Easy to fix.

    But given how many folks value Dennis Smith's stills of Arnhem, it's right to give credit to Roy Oliver for getting them out.
     
  14. NPMS

    NPMS Junior Member

    Here's a pic of my dad, Sgt Eddy "Smiler" Smales, then of 1 AFPS. Taken in Tripoli (Syria) in Summer 1942.
     

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  15. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Thanks for sharing the photo - a good indication of why he was nicknamed Smiler then?

    Do you have any copies of the photos that he might have taken during his service, or was keeping personal copies against regulations?
     
  16. NPMS

    NPMS Junior Member

    All film and photographs taken by AFPU personnel were War Office exclusive. Those which survived have now passed to the Imperial War Museum.

    However, my brother and I have a number of personal shots taken by Dad of AFPU colleagues or of him with some of them - for example, Duggy Wolfe and Charlie Crocker (who Dad paired up with at Alamein and Walcheren respectively).

    However, I won't share these pics just yet on this site. I hope to include in When You're Smiler (my book about Dad) a selection of as many as poss of them alongside some IWM images.

    I will also eventually donate to the IWM those pics that would enhance their collection, including a couple of AFPU team photos (one on the eve of Alamein, the other a week or so pre-D-Day).
     
  17. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    The National Archives | DocumentsOnline | Image Details

    Name Evans, Leslie James
    Rank: Lieutenant
    Service No: 198697
    Regiment: Royal Regiment of Artillery
    Theatre of Combat or Operation: North West Europe 1944-45
    Award: Member of British Empire
    Date of Announcement in London Gazette: 29 March 1945
    Date 1945
    Catalogue reference WO 373/53
     

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  18. NPMS

    NPMS Junior Member

    The association of former members of the AFPU is run by the youngest surviving member, Paul Clark (a sprightly 85 years old in 2011). He runs this website....

    Army Film & Photographic Unit

    Other AFPU survivors include Peter Norris, Harry Oakes and Bob Sleigh (pronounced Slee, and actually of the Canadian Film & Photo Unit, but living in Cheshire). Other members of the association include sons and daughters of ex-AFPU boys Harry Ames, Cyril Garnham, Billy Greenhalgh, Hugh Stewart and my dad, Eddy Smales.

    The AFPU will mark its 70th Anniversary (24th October) when it is hoped that Len Puttnam's boy (Lord David) will be the guest of honour at an IWM event on 25th October 2011 to celebrate the Army Photographer of the Year.
     
  19. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    All film and photographs taken by AFPU personnel were War Office exclusive. Those which survived have now passed to the Imperial War Museum.

    At the time they were also given free to Major News Agencies and you can find the same photos being referenced as being the property of several of them.
    If you are rich and lazy you can pay Pathe 60 quid for a few minutes footage or (if you are clever) get the original unedited reel from the IWM for a lot less.
    The drawback is the IWM stuff is lower quality than the (now)digital Pathe stuff.
     
  20. NPMS

    NPMS Junior Member

    m kenny...
    You are correct about sources. But I've found the IWM to have a more comprehensive record and a more helpful attitute. And in my view - although it would be nice if the IWM could do even more (and would if it wasn't cash-strapped) to promote and celebrate the AFPU - we all benefit from its commitment to heritage preservation and access rather than £££.
    Cheers.... NPMS
     

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