Arnhem Casualty

Discussion in 'Airborne' started by Jedburgh22, Oct 26, 2010.

  1. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Have contacted a Franklin County Genaelogist for help

    Superb. I did some more inquiries as well.
     
  2. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    he is reburied in another state
     
  3. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    I heard from Ohio they are looking for the cemetary and will send the picture
     
  4. TomTAS

    TomTAS Very Senior Member

    Hi Jedburgh,

    I contacted Franklin Country help desk, but she told me to call them... There are in fact with Carl another two US Airman who need to be found...

    Tom
     
  5. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    PM me the names I'm working with a private genealogist on this one, she already has the newspaper clippings re the re-burial and will take pics

    Steven
     
  6. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    Cemetary located 119miles from franklin County - she will make a trip on Monday and photograph headstone if it survives - isn't the net and the fine people we meet who help wonderfull!
     
  7. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    Attached are newspaper Clippings
     

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  8. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    Attached are newspaper Clippings

    Steven

    Well done, many thanks to your American researcher

    John
     
  9. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Great work Steven! Thank you.

    What's the name of that cemetery?
     
  10. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    He was buried in the Rockland Cemetary, Rockland, Ohio
     
  11. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Great, thanks.

    I recently got some documents from 1946 regarding Scott's field grave in Holland. Again, Scott is said to have been part of a patrol when he was killed.

    Have you been able to find some more information regarding his death?
     
  12. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    I think it is likely that he was trying to return to Allied lines after evading post-Arnhem, I believe he linked up with the 101 Abn Patrol and they were bounced by the Germans and Scott killed in the ensuiing firefight. I think that is the only explanation that makes sense as had he been with the 101st earlier he would have been passed back through one of the SFHQ Liaison Teams or his presence would at least have been reported.
     
  13. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    I think it is likely that he was trying to return to Allied lines after evading post-Arnhem, I believe he linked up with the 101 Abn Patrol and they were bounced by the Germans and Scott killed in the ensuiing firefight. I think that is the only explanation that makes sense as had he been with the 101st earlier he would have been passed back through one of the SFHQ Liaison Teams or his presence would at least have been reported.

    Exactly my thoughts.

    I'll do some more research over here in Holland on this 'patrol.'
     
  14. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    The Arnhem Roll of Honour states|:

    His date of death was officially given as 2 November 1944. On that particular day a patrol by men of the 327th Glider Infantry (101st US Airborne Division) in the Wageningen area ended in disaster. Of the three men, 1 Lt Fred J. Rau and S/Sgt Gilbert M. Chinn were killed by German fire. S/Sgt Albert Sandmayer (S-2) was captured, and the three Dutch guides swam back to the Allied lines.

    I have in my files an excerpt from the after action report from of the 327th GIR. This report notes that one officer and two enlisted men went missing in the Wageningen area at 4 November 1944. These men are most likely Rau, Gilbert and Sandmayer. Several of my OSS and War Department files note however that Scott was killed at 2 November 1944.

    Although it is possible that the date of Scott's death isn't correct, there still is the possibility that Scott wasn't connected to this (particular) patrol.

    A fact which supports the possibility that Scott hadn't anything to do with this patrol is that the two Americans from the 327th GIR were buried together - but separately from Scott.

    Contacted some people from the Wageningen area this afternoon. I'll keep you guys updated.
     
  15. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    The other possibility is that several Jedburgh who had deployed at Market Garden were employed by MI9 on evader recovery tasks - I think it unlikely that Scott was employed in this role owing to his MIA status - however the answer is likely to be with the local resistance.
     
  16. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    Steven

    Sadi Kirschen mentions a number of the MI9 people that were employed on the evasion work in this area in his message logs - there's no mention of Scott.

    John
     
  17. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Steven, was the lady able to take a photo of the headstone?
     
  18. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    She hasn't got back to me yet - its a 120mile drive for her so I'll wait till she fits it in this week.
     
  19. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    I must thank Leona for a very long drive to take the pictures (she waited for a nice day!) Also to the Cemetary Authorities for tidying the grave surrounds and placing the flags to enable here to find an inset stone easily.

    Jelle and TomTas hi res copies will be emailed to you separately




    :poppy:Carl Scott you are not forgotten:poppy:
     

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  20. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Steven, thats a great outcome to this thread well done to you and all those involved.
     

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