Hello Experts, Can anyone tell me when a man would have been Attested if his Regimental Number was 1427449 as on FMP the transcription states he was Attested in 1923 but I believe Arthur Shackleton was born circa 1913 according to his age on CWGC database. Many thanks in advance, Kind regards, Mavis Williams
Hi, I've checked my Paybooks in that kind of number range 1,423,214 was 13/02/22 1,426,493 was 01/01/24 So they make it look like 1923 isn't unreasonable for the number, but then it jumps to 1,430,876 was 03/10/38 So there seems to be a big jump around about his number - RA numbers in general seem to follow a date order but there are some oddities and bits where it jumps back (not sure if its the different branches of the RA) Alistair
He is listed in RA Roll in Singapore as POW: 1427449 Bdr (Bombardier) A Shackleton 3HAA (3rd Heavy Anti Aircraft Regiment) RA. Unfortunately the next entry reads OVL? (Overland) and then in pencil 'Not Thailand'. So it doesn't look as if they knew where he was. I'll have a look at some other lists later as CWGC must have had some info to be able to give a date of death. A very quick look at some other RAs gives a wide range of Service Nos. 1064369 (Bdr) and 1072029 (L/Bdr) so I'm not sure the Paybook dates will answer the question. Hopefully someone on this Forum may have the attestation records for 3HAA. Tim
Find my past has him as 1923. First name(s) Arthur Last name Shackleton Age - Birth year - Birth place - Attestation year 1923 Service number 1427449 Former service number - Record set Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Thank you all for your offers of help, I am wondering if I have the right family, although I do believe I have but hisAttestation date would make him only about 10/12 years old. I think I have found his father's Attestation Papers from WW1, On them Arthur was said to have been born in 1911. George Ernest Shackleton in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 Name: George Ernest Shackleton Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1881 Enlistment Age: 35 Marriage Date: 12 Feb 1908 Marriage Place: Bradford Yorkshire Document Year: 1916 Residence Place: 58 Winslow St, County Rd Walton Regimental Number: 1780 Regiment Name: The King's (Liverpool) Regiment Number of Images: 2 Form Title: Attestation There are many more papers than 6 though. Perhaps I have the wrong couple as there is another couple who could fir the bill:- 1911 Census RG14; Piece: 27123 1, Rylstone Terrace, Jack Lane, Hunslet, Leeds. (4 Rooms) Mr. T. VERITY Head 64 Widowed Builder’s Mason (Own A/C) born Hunslet, Leeds. SHACKLETON, George Son-in-Law 29 (Married 1 year) Turner Engineer(Hydraulic Works) born Hunslet, Leeds. SHACKLETON,A. Daughter 31 Married (1child born, still living) born New Wortley,Yorks. Baby Dau 2 Days born Hunslet, Leeds.*# Mrs. MOODY Visitor 60 (Married 10 years, 4 living, 6 died) born Opengates, Shropshire *Is this the “Baby”? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Jun Qtr.1911 (>99%) SHACKLETON Louisa Hunslet 9b 426 #The 1911 census was taken on the 2nd April 1911. George Shackleton in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 Name: George Shackleton Marriage Age: 29 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1882 Marriage Date: 11 Mar 1911 Marriage Place: Hunslet, St Mary the Virgin, Yorkshire, England Parish: Hunslet, St Mary the Virgin Page 144 No 287 11th March 1911 George SHACKLETON 29 Bachelor Mechanic 12, Garden Mt., Hunslet, Father John William SHACKLETON (dec) Draper. & Alice Ann VERITY 31 Spinster, 1 Rylestone Terrace, Father Thomas VERITY, Mason. By Licence Witnesses:- Thomas VERITY and Ellen CHAPMAN 1901 census 12, Garden Mount, Hunslet, Yorkshire SHACKLETON, John W. Head M46 Draper born Keighley, Yorkshire SHACKLETON, Fanny Wife M 48 born Leeds, Yorkshire SHACKLETON, Fred Son S 21 Hair Dresser (Own A.C) all rest born Keighley, Yorkshire SHACKLETON, George Son S 19 Michanic (sic) Engin? Fitter SHACKLETON, Alice Dau 14 Printer SHACKLETON, William Son 11 SHACKLETON, Harry Son Nephew S 23 General Labourer Hope I haven't complicated the story, but I am confused what with the date of the Attestation of Arthur and his parents. I have found them I think on the 1939 Register, but are they the right ones? 1939 Register Shackleton Household (5 People) Salfone Aston Hall Lane , Hawarden R.D., Flintshire, Wales George E Shackleton 16 Oct 1880 Male Assurance Agent Married 184 1 Alice A M Shackleton 7 Dec 1879 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 184 2 Ernest Shackleton 21 Nov 1908 Male Crane Driver Steel Works Single 184 3 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Many thanks again, Mavis
Mavis, The attestation year jumps from 1923 to 1938 from service number 1427622 to 1427623 First name(s) Henry Last name McKinnon Age - Birth year - Birth place - Attestation year 1923 Service number 1427622 Former service number - Record set Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain, UK None First name(s) John Last name Black Age - Birth year - Birth place - Attestation year 1938 Service number 1427623 Former service number - Record set Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Thanks for your swift reply, would it be that the transcriber put the date of the beginning of the book, rather than the actual date he Attested? Just a thought. Thanks again, Mavis
Found 2 George & Alice's. 1 x Prospect house Braithwaite, Keighly and 1 x 171 Lake view Leeds. 1939 register. If that's of any help.
You will never guess but the family that were recorded living at 171, Lake View, had exactly the same names as the ones from Salfone Aston Hall Lane , Hawarden R.D., Flintshire, Wales with 5 records, 2 redacted!! but I am assuming that the latter are the right ones as they are in our area. But many thank, there are always coincendences aren't there! Thanks again. Regards, Mavis
