Belfast - Then & Now

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by dbf, Jan 26, 2009.

  1. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek MOD

    Thanks for all the pix, D.
     
  2. thiepval1916

    thiepval1916 Junior Member

    excellent pics
     
  3. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

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    Double ditto.

    Robert
     
  4. Aviator84

    Aviator84 Laughter-silvered wings

    Excellent Job, i love all these comparison photos, i usually do this of local WWII airfields, ill try and throw some up also =)
     
  5. Shane Greer

    Shane Greer We're Doomed

    Amazing... being from Antrim Ive walked those streets many times...
     
  6. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Would never have recognised the location , thanks D.
     
  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Excellenti :)
     
  8. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Thanks everyone for the comments. Nice to see so many 'locals' too :D
     
  9. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Thanks to RJL posting a link on this thread
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/united-kingdom/34462-belfast-telegraph-archive-photos.html

    'Nows' taken from google street view.

    Belfast Telegraph Photosales Monty visits Ulster

    Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery, visit to Northern Ireland 1945. Arriving in Belfast and being greeted at the City Hall by Sir Crawford McCullagh. 14/9/1945.

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    Belfast Telegraph Photosales Monty visits Ulster
    Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery, visit to Northern Ireland 1945. Greeting men of his old regiment, The Warwickshire Regt, at Belfast City Hall. 14/9/1945


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    Belfast Telegraph Photosales World War 2 - VE Day Celebrations in Belfast
    World War 2: VE - Day. Real Admiral R H L Bevan taking salute, Victory Day parade Belfast. (13/05/1945)

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  10. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I wonder what the Drill Sergeant would find of the view today ?

    "Get that pink omnibus off my p'rade ground !"

    :)
     
  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

  12. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Great news...well done Jeff Dudgeon!

    Belfast to build memorial to blitz victims

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    A Belfast's hospital ward after a German air raid in 1941

    A plan for a permanent Belfast Blitz memorial has been narrowly approved by Belfast City Council.

    About 1,000 people lost their lives in German air raids on the city in April and May 1941.

    A motion seeking council backing for the memorial was put forward by UUP councillor Jeff Dudgeon.

    It was carried by 26 votes to 22 at a full council meeting on Monday, with six councillors abstaining.

    Belfast was one of 16 cities across the UK to be bombed by the German air force in World War Two.

    The Luftwaffe (German air force ) carried out four raids on the city between 7 April and 6 May 1941.

    More than half of Belfast's houses were destroyed or badly damaged in the attacks.

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    Mr Dudgeon said he wanted the memorial to be in place in time for the 80th anniversary of the Blitz in 2021

    The memorial will be erected in Cathedral Gardens, also known as Buoy Park, close to St Anne's cathedral and the Belfast campus of Ulster University.
    Councillor Dudgeon said Cathedral Gardens, which was destroyed in the raids, was a more appropriate location than City Hall.

    "The proposed design, which is already in place, is for an extensive memorial with all the names of the over one thousand people killed," he said.

    "The north of the city was the worst hit and the east after that, plus the city centre and all parts after that.

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    About 1,000 people lost their lives in German air raids on Belfast in April and May 1941

    "It's a broad issue - it's not an issue about equality or diversity as everyone was killed."

    The motion was seconded by the independent councillor Patrick Convery, but the SDLP and Sinn Féin voted against it.

    SDLP Councillor Tim Attwood said that was because they were waiting for a wider review of all city hall memorials and statues to conclude in the near future, and not because they were opposed to a Blitz memorial.

    "We were working on that basis, to get a consensus of opinion around all these issues including the Blitz memorial," he said.

    "That was the positive way forward and that would have been resolved this month.

    'Premature'
    "I just thought it was premature to bring it forward this month, even though we support it.

    "There was a range of issues that were being discussed by parties and we were hoping to reach a consensus among all parties about all of those issues at the same time."

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    A sketch of the planned memorial to the victims of the bombing

    There is also a plan, for example, to erect a statue of the feminist and 1916 Easter Rising veteran Winifred Carney in the grounds of Belfast City Hall which is yet to be approved.

    Mr Dudgeon denied that his motion was premature and said he had to act now to ensure a memorial was in place for the 80th anniversary of the Blitz in 2021.

    "I waited for three and a half years and I've decided to move now because of the urgency of the timing," he said.

    'Can't wait'
    "The City Hall grounds review is now entirely separate, and a memorial coming to Cathedral Gardens is without prejudice to what may or may not be decided there.

    "It can't wait."

    Mr Dudgeon also said that Northern Ireland War Memorial had previously offered to pay most of the cost of the new memorial, which could reach more than £100,000.

    Erecting the memorial will now be part of the council's financial planning for the 2019/20 financial year.
     
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  13. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

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  14. Roy Martin

    Roy Martin Senior Member

    (The merchant ship) La Pampa arrived at Belfast Lough from Baltimore on 30 April 1941. Her cargo is not noted on the movement cards, but it was likely to have been bulk grain. The population of the city were reeling from the first two raids of the Belfast Blitz. Almost a thousand had been killed in the Easter Raid of 15/16 April. La Pampa berthed on May Day and was discharging at the time of the ‘Fire Raid’ on the night of the 4/5 May.

    I was told the story of that night during my time on the ship twelve years later; I can’t remember who told me, but he must have been on that ship. The Flag Officer Commanding Northern Ireland had ordered that, in the event of another raid, the Merchant Navy were not to attempt to engage the enemy. However the Apprentices must have been in the pub when the order was given, or the relief Mate had not passed it on. The lads were said to be making their way back to the ship when the raid started. They must have detoured because the raid did not begin until a couple of hours after closing time! They manned the 20mm Boforsi and were following one of the attackers when the ‘port after goal post got in the way’. A repair collar welded on the post was still there in 1953 and presumably remained until the ship was scrapped. The two Apprentices shown on the Articles for that date were Messrs Lacey and Lawes. A G Lawes was on the ship at the outbreak of war; J E Lacey had joined in January 1940, sadly he contracted smallpox and died only ten months later.

    i One convoy report gives the La Pampa’s armaments as:– 1 x 4”, 1 x 12 pdr, 2 x Bofors, 6 machine guns and kites.
     
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