Bren or BAR.

i recon the bren asuperb wepon.the bar outdated.what do you think.

 

Dunno mate. I quite like the BAR. The fact that's it quite acurate when used as a rifle and can also be used on automatic when there's loads of enemy around. The Bren is also a good weapon but that big clip in the way would do my head in.
(Apologies as this is refferred to my experiance from puter games.)

marcus

 

Bren, the Vickers was also rather good.

BAR looked nice but I would always go for Bren

 

Hard to say. I guess i'll go with the BAR based on the fact that it could be used as a rifle aswell as a light machine gun equipped with a bipod. And of course the design is a big plus too.

 

Hard to say. I guess i'll go with the BAR based on the fact that it could be used as a rifle aswell as a light machine gun equipped with a bipod. And of course the design is a big plus too.


Use a Bren as a rifle, the rumour is that gunners prefered worn barrels as the Bren was *too* accurate for a machine gun and didnt spread.

If youve seen a BAR in the flesh as with any of Browning's best you notice how well made and relible they look. Just for the sake of Arguement, I am going to sayt BAR. Mobility, low weight(for an LMG) reliability. Dont forget the yanks had .30 cal as the squad weopen, the BAR was to supplement that.

Kev

 

Bren all the way!

 

From the point of view of a soldier having to carry a weapon, I base my choice on the weight of the thing, who wants to lug heavy kit around if you don't have too?

BAR 8.33kg or 18.5 lb*
Bren 10.35kg or 22.82 lb*

*various sources give various weights.

I feel like adding a Poll to this thread as it's about WW2 Weapons.
Enough of London politics.
I've moved this thread to Allied Weapons & Equipment Forum.
Suitable photo for this thread.


United States and British troops compare the Bren Gun with the Browning Automatic Rifle.
(Ok it's Korean War not WW2 but hey...)

I hope that Bren is pointing between the group!

 

Bren for me!

 

i have a bren on my wall.beautiful gun.my mate who served in a rifle platoon in the 4h wilts said;it was more a bren than rifle platoon;

 

...and Bren also for me. This is not really a valid comparison, however, as the Bren and the BAR came about through rather different tactical and doctrinal circumstances. The British Army has long emphasised the value of accuracy of firepower, rather than the sheer volume or weight of lead in the air, which appears to be the doctrine favoured by the US Army. The advantage of the former is that you can get the same results from much less lead, and the advantage of the latter is (arguably) the supressing effect upon the enemy. You pays yer money and takes yer choice....

 

I'd always heard the Bren recommended as it was easier to change the magazine when lying down. The top load as opposed to the bottom.

 

If anything, I would have thought the BAR was easier: just turn the weapon on its side and change mags. The magazine on the Bren involves reaching up, possibly out of cover, and doing the business. However, I haven't done either under fire. Any vets out there got an opion?

 

Sapper used a Bren didn't he? I wonder if he ever used a BAR. Perhaps we can get an answer from someone who knows first hand.

 

...and Bren also for me. This is not really a valid comparison, however, as the Bren and the BAR came about through rather different tactical and doctrinal circumstances. The British Army has long emphasised the value of accuracy of firepower, rather than the sheer volume or weight of lead in the air, which appears to be the doctrine favoured by the US Army. The advantage of the former is that you can get the same results from much less lead, and the advantage of the latter is (arguably) the supressing effect upon the enemy. You pays yer money and takes yer choice....
Excellent post Captain!! I would agree.

 

Thanks, GH. I think it over to the vets now but I still think these kind of comparisons are generally rather pointless, and possibly generated by the current crop of computer/console games..possibly...maybe....

 

I've read that when trained on the Bren you were expected to only fire very short bursts of automatic fire, 2 or 3 rounds only. Is this 'double popping'? and is it done on auto or single shot? ie: one pull on the trigger or two.

Bren for me too.

 

I'd like to fire both of them to see how they handle.

 

Thanks, GH. I think it over to the vets now but I still think these kind of comparisons are generally rather pointless, and possibly generated by the current crop of computer/console games..possibly...maybe....

No there not useless. I used to think that too. The outcome is completly meaningless but the idea it it sparks up some good debate.

Its a good thing is with this site, that such a patriotic subject can be discussed. If you posted this on most sites you would get into the Brit gun is best (not that the Bren is British), or our gun is best or otrher jingoistic willy waving.

Kev