Briton missing behind the Iron Curtain?

Discussion in 'Postwar' started by alieneyes, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Dave,
    I've PMed you about it as I dont want to put anything in public without the relative's permission.
     
  2. 43rdrecce

    43rdrecce Junior Member

    Although not related to Leslie Golding, the book 'Private Kelly' mentioned in an earlier reply might provide a little background as to how some of these men were picked up by the Soviet forces.
    Private Kelly is an odd little book about an even odder case. He was an RAMC orderly with 133 Parachute Field Ambulance captured at Arnhem.
    There is very little about this chap on the net and his story is a strange one. There is much in the book regarding his interrogation and imprisonment in Russian jails.

    From the very little research I have done on him (out of curiosity nothing more) he seems to be 14709611 Private Francis James W Kelly, RAMC. He was POW 91609 firstly at Stalag XIIA, and then held at Stalag 4B, which tallies with the Book.
    He was born in Kent, 28th October 1917, and appears to have died in early 2004.

    Sorry to digress slightly but interesting background on men captured behind the Iron Curtain.

    Regards

    Paul
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Had permission from Leslie Golding's relative to post relevent info from their email to us.

    For some reason this evening I decided to have a look on the internet to see if anything interesting was listed about my late Grandfather Captain Leslie Golding paratrooper in 13th Battalion and came across your discussion re the idea that he might have disappeared behind the iron curtain.
    Don`t worry he didn`t.
    He came back and lived in Sunbury on thames with his wife Catherine and his 3 daughters, working as a solicitor for new scotland yard and then in his own firm based in Sunbury.

    Hope this is of interest to others.
     
  4. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

    Although not related to Leslie Golding, the book 'Private Kelly' mentioned in an earlier reply might provide a little background as to how some of these men were picked up by the Soviet forces.
    Private Kelly is an odd little book about an even odder case. He was an RAMC orderly with 133 Parachute Field Ambulance captured at Arnhem.
    There is very little about this chap on the net and his story is a strange one. There is much in the book regarding his interrogation and imprisonment in Russian jails.

    From the very little research I have done on him (out of curiosity nothing more) he seems to be 14709611 Private Francis James W Kelly, RAMC. He was POW 91609 firstly at Stalag XIIA, and then held at Stalag 4B, which tallies with the Book.
    He was born in Kent, 28th October 1917, and appears to have died in early 2004.

    Sorry to digress slightly but interesting background on men captured behind the Iron Curtain.

    Regards

    Paul

    Hi Paul,

    Definitely not digressing at all. Kelly's story is fascinating, to say the least. I like the pun on the book's cover "by himself".

    I first heard his story in the late 80s but had no idea how to contact him. I wasn't aware he lived until 2004. I did find a great deal of information, mostly from The Times, in Nigel Cawthorne's "Iron Cage" After eight years in Soviet prisons to return and be charged with being absent without leave seems to have been a bit excessive. Cawthorne makes the point that the threat of an even longer prison term in the UK was a "good way to shut someone up"

    I am aware of a town in the former East Germany where where deserters from the British, American and French armies were taken. Most of these men were from post war occupation troops. Some of the documents I have seen have home addresses in the UK for the men. I wonder if they came home after the Wall came down? Most likely not as they did enjoy a lifestyle better than the average East German until the wall came down and I suspect there may have still had charges pending should they turn themselves in.

    Are you aware of the story of Military Policeman James Allan? Captured at Dunkirk he escaped from a stalag in Poland and went east. The Russians picked him up and he ended up in Lubianka. He learned to speak Russian so quickly that they suspected him of being a spy. Took about 18 months to get him out. He was awarded, IIRC, the Military Medal. Name of his book? "No Citation"

    Regards,

    Dave
     
  5. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

    Had permission from Leslie Golding's relative to post relevent info from their email to us.

    For some reason this evening I decided to have a look on the internet to see if anything interesting was listed about my late Grandfather Captain Leslie Golding paratrooper in 13th Battalion and came across your discussion re the idea that he might have disappeared behind the iron curtain.
    Don`t worry he didn`t.
    He came back and lived in Sunbury on thames with his wife Catherine and his 3 daughters, working as a solicitor for new scotland yard and then in his own firm based in Sunbury.


    Hope this is of interest to others.

    Cheers for that, Owen. As mentioned to you I have again written Major Ellis Dean to let him know "not his chap". Many thanks to the grandchild of the other Leslie Golding for allowing us to rule him out.

    Regards,

    Dave
     
  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Well-Known Member

    Using the service number provided earlier - 105579 - and looking through the London Gazette database on Ancestry came across

    Leslie Herbert Unwin Golding 105579 - S Lancs

    Will keep looking
    TD
     

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  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Well-Known Member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Leslie Herbert Unwin Golding
    Birth Date: 18 Feb 1920
    Date of Registration: Dec 1997
    Age at Death: 77
    Registration district: Surrey Northern
    Inferred County: Surrey
    Register Number: NSD3
    District and Subdistrict: 7571D
    Entry Number: 239

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
    Name: Leslie H U Golding
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Hannam
    Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1920
    Registration district: Brentford
    Inferred County: Oxfordshire
    Volume Number: 3a
    Page Number: 266

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: Leslie H U Golding
    Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1942
    Registration district: Staines
    Inferred County: Middlesex
    Spouse: Catherine A Lewis
    Volume Number: 3a
    Page Number: 68

    Not sure it helps but perhaps crosses one off the list and thereby has an effect?
    TD
     
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  8. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

    Thanks, TD.

    He was ruled out as per Owen's Post #43.

    The other Leslie Golding (Leslie Victor Golding) appears to have been a rascal. I'm sure I still have his marriage certificate somewhere so will get his birth year.
     

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