Campo Pg65,345d Transit Camp,campo 57 3200

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  1. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Hi Can anyone help me I don't know how to post a thread computer iliterate! I want to find out about my Grandad his name was Owen Joseph Burke from Liverpool

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    I know little about him or how to start finding out and stumbled across this fantastic Forum.

    My Grandad I have learnt was in the 8th Kings Own Royal Regiment and I heard something, rightly or wrongly that he was a prisoner of war at Stalag 11-B that he was listed in another regiment prehaps Worcestershire? His number is 3714090 and his POW number was 140353?

    Could anybody advise me on where to start and find out more info on the regiment and him?

    I am currently applying for the SAR.

    Kindest Regards a Proud Grand Daughter

    Caroline Wilkins

    Hi Caroline,
    the number is right,the Camp is right but P.O.W, Records show that he was Worcester Rgt. P.O.W. NO. 14053
     
  2. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Hi Caroline,
    Pte O Burke was also a P.O.W. in Italy. PG 53
     
  3. LSG

    LSG Junior Member

    Hi Colin - Found this thread in error while looking for something else.

    Listed in the thread is a link to Stalag 18A and I am sure that the sites author Ian Brown would only be to happy to receive any info or photos in regard to Schladming 942G/W Work Camp.

    As can be seen on his site there is a large list of work camps the ones activated he has gleaned some history or info. The Work Camp listed above is not highlighted and
    therefore as they say any contributions gratefully received.

    Prisoner of War

    Lance
     
  4. mcct

    mcct Junior Member

    Can now report a friend his visited Campo 57...or at least the small church near the site...from a google search I found photos of some prisoners at meal time and there was my father standing in line...amazing!!...my friend took my Anzac poppy and placed it in the church at a service there in Oct 2009
     
  5. mitsilad

    mitsilad Junior Member

    My father, and his brother (Fred) were in the 24 th Battelion. He was captured in Libya in 1941, spent time at PG52 Chiavari, PG57 (Udine) Stalag 8A and others and was eventually released from Stalag 13D (Nuremburg) in April 1945.

    Fred is buried in Tunis.

    Dad worked in a number of mills and industries in Europe while a prisoner. Even when he died (1974) he still spoke fluent German and Italian. We do not know if he learnt German and Italian during his time in prison or knew it before he was captured (he did not talk about the war much and I was probably too young to ask).


    We are doing our OE next month (icelandic volcano willing) and will be visiting Chiavari, Udine and Nuremburg. We have organised a visit to what was Stalag 13D in Nuremburg.

    Does anyone have the map coordinates for what was PG52 or PG57?

    I wil post what ever photos I take (if I am allowed).

    I would love to hear from anyone who knew dad or Fred.

    Graeme
     
  6. mitsilad

    mitsilad Junior Member

    Hi Brian (ADM199).

    In 2006 you mentioned

    "the information comes from P.O.W. Registers of those in Germany that were published some years ago . The Italy information comes from a File I copied in the U.K. National Archives."

    Is this file still available, and where would I get it?


    My dad was captured in Libya in 1941 went through PG52, PG57, a number of Stalag's before being released by the Americans at Stalage 13D in Nuremburg.

    I am keen to fill in the gaps as he spoke little of the war. Sadly he died in 1974 when I was too young to ask the right questions.


    I have found the NZ Defence Force/Army records to be of little value.


    kind regards
    Graeme
     
  7. mcct

    mcct Junior Member

    Graeme..if you use Google earth and look for Udine.Italy..campo57 was very close to Udine...would be interested hearing about your trip as I wish to do same sometime soon
    Regards
    Charles
     
  8. Colin R

    Colin R Junior Member

    PG52 is often described as PG52 Chiavari, when in fact it was about 10-15kms inland from Chiavari at Pian di Coreglia, on the banks of the Lavagna River. We visited the site in 2008, guided there by our GPS. You travel up the river valley, going through the small village of Calvari, turning left on the outer edge of the town to cross a small bridge over the river. You will find a slab of marble mounted on the right hand side of the bridge, from memory installed in 2002 "commemorating the site". The camp was bordered by the road, the track /road going off to the right and the river. The 2 houses either side of the road and just over the bridge were part of the camp at the time. Believe it or not, we met the camp commandant, who was then 94 years old, in his home. He had ther original lists of all the prisoners who passed through the camp. Unfortunately he , nor his 2 sons could speak english, and my Italian is pretty limited, so we did not get much info, other than discover from his recoprds, that my father did was not in the camp. I have a cartoon sketch of PG52 drawn by a New Zealand POW (of the camp), Arthur Douglas, who became well known for his cartoons. The commandant had 1, very similar to mine mounted on his wall - he said it was presented to him. He also had a "blower" - a metal cooking apparatus, several of which were made and used by the POW's - it had written on it "presented to ---(the commandant) with respect" and dated 1942. He struck us (my wife and I) as being a nice man. He said war is crazy. It was one of the many highlights in our trip, trying to learn more about my father's time during the war. If you google earth Pian di Coreglia, you will see the bridge on the edge of Calvari, and the 2 houses I mention.
    Pian di Coreglia is not signposted in the town
    Do not confuse it with Pian di Coreglia di Lucca - a different place and unrelated. I have seen it on websites incorrectly stated as the site of PG52 - it is I would guess about 100kms south of the correct one.
    Good luck,
    Regards,
    Colin R
     
  9. Broomrb1

    Broomrb1 Junior Member

    Hi, Does anyone know trhe location of the Italian POW camp known as Dysentry Acre on the Peloponesse, winter 1941/1942. I have heard it referred to as Akhaia or Acacia. A while back Grahamb was looking for it did you/he find it?
    Also, Does anyone have info on the sinking of the Nino Bixio ? Do any accounts talk of Italian Sub chasers in activity at the time?
    Regards
    Broomrb1
     
  10. Groomerlad

    Groomerlad Junior Member

    Hi I am trying to find out information on my father Rob Woolcott 19 th battalion new Zealand army . Rob was captured in Egypt July 1942 and shipped to Italy spent time at campo PG57 in Udine, pg103/7,stalag x1a.
    I am traveling through Europe may June this year and wondering if there are any buildings or anything to view at the camps .
    Any information appreciated
    Cheers
    Errol Woolcott
     
  11. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Errol,

    I do not have any knowledge about POW's to the Italians, but through good fortune I do have photographic copies of a list of held at our National Archives in London of Allied POW's held by the Italians in August 1943.

    This file is in the form of a large ledger with basic details of the service man and which camp he was in at the time.

    Attached is the page alphabetically 'W' for New Zealand men. There is one Woolcott there. I hope this might help?

    There are forum members here that have an amazing amount of knowledge on this subject, I am sure they will be able to help you very soon.

    Steve.
     

    Attached Files:

  12. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Hi Errol, welcome to the Forum.
    I think you are referring to PG 57 Gruppignano near Udine South of Udiasta.

    The accomodation was in Wooden Buildings which are no longer there. The only thing left is the Church built by the POW which has been refurbished by the locals.
    Position given was 46.05N - 13.31E
    The Commander was Col Calcaterra who from all accounts was a bit of a B***tard. He was wanted for War Crimes committed against POW but I think he dissappeared.

    103 was the base for several Agricultural work camps.103/7 is said to have been at La Maina

    What I would do would be to check for any Report he MAY have made when Liberated as he could have been in other Camps in Italy.
    The File in the UK Archives would be WO 344/354/1

    Brian

    Hi I am trying to find out information on my father Rob Woolcott 19 th battalion new Zealand army . Rob was captured in Egypt July 1942 and shipped to Italy spent time at campo PG57 in Udine, pg103/7,stalag x1a.
    I am traveling through Europe may June this year and wondering if there are any buildings or anything to view at the camps .
    Any information appreciated
    Cheers
    Errol Woolcott
     
  13. Groomerlad

    Groomerlad Junior Member

    Hi Brian and Steve
    Thanks for your help like most pow Rob never spoke about his life as a pow therefore i am pretty much starting from scratch hopefully i can gather up as much information as possible that can be passed on to my children,grand children etc
    Cheers for now
    Errol
     
  14. Young Nobby

    Young Nobby Junior Member

    I am trying to find info into my fathers POW life. Sgt Tony Clark (Nobby). I know he was on the Jantzen, his comments re the captain a crew were few, but had admiration for the German engineer who took command. I know he was held in Greece for some time then transfered by ship to Italy and eventually to Germany /Poland Stalag 8A, where he worked in the Kitchens. Made friends with a Belgian and a fellow Brit from the North of England who was a butcher. These skills helped to feed them both on the long march. I believe he was flown back from Belgium. Anyone have any further details?
     
  15. tarquini

    tarquini Member

    Can anyone tell me the number of the camp at Frosinone, Italy? It doesn't appear on any list I've come across so far, though I have found four personal reminiscences of men who were interned there. It was used as a transit camp during early '44.
     
  16. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I am trying to find info into my fathers POW life. Sgt Tony Clark (Nobby). I know he was on the Jantzen, his comments re the captain a crew were few, but had admiration for the German engineer who took command. I know he was held in Greece for some time then transfered by ship to Italy and eventually to Germany /Poland Stalag 8A, where he worked in the Kitchens. Made friends with a Belgian and a fellow Brit from the North of England who was a butcher. These skills helped to feed them both on the long march. I believe he was flown back from Belgium. Anyone have any further details?


    Young Nobby,

    Attached is the page from WO392/21, POW's of the Italians as of August 1943, that contains all the Clarks. I hope you visit the site again to find it?

    Steve
     

    Attached Files:

  17. mitsilad

    mitsilad Junior Member

    Hi Kaye.

    I would love to talk with you about PG57.
    From what I can tell, my father was in PG52, PG57, Stg VIIIA and Stg XIIID.
    Sadly he died when I was only 16.
     
  18. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi Errol,

    I do not have any knowledge about POW's to the Italians, but through good fortune I do have photographic copies of a list of held at our National Archives in London of Allied POW's held by the Italians in August 1943.

    This file is in the form of a large ledger with basic details of the service man and which camp he was in at the time.

    Attached is the page alphabetically 'W' for New Zealand men. There is one Woolcott there. I hope this might help?

    There are forum members here that have an amazing amount of knowledge on this subject, I am sure they will be able to help you very soon.

    Steve.

    Hi,

    I was wondering if you could see if my late father L/Cpl 3597824 John Robert Young, 3rd Coldstream Guards, is shown in the Italian POW register you mention?

    He was captured at Antelat, Libya, 22nd December 1941. I think he was at PG 65 Capua until sent to Germay Sept/Oct 1943. He is shown on 1945 Red Cross register at Stalag 17B Krems Gneizendorf, Austria. I have applied to the Red Cross for his details

    Thanks.

    Steve Y.
     
  19. Hi,

    I was wondering if you could see if my late father L/Cpl 3597824 John Robert Young, 3rd Coldstream Guards, is shown in the Italian POW register you mention?

    He was captured at Antelat, Libya, 22nd December 1941. I think he was at PG 65 Capua until sent to Germay Sept/Oct 1943. He is shown on 1945 Red Cross register at Stalag 17B Krems Gneizendorf, Austria. I have applied to the Red Cross for his details

    Thanks.

    Steve Y.

    Steve

    According to the National Archive Record WO 392/21 your Father was at PG53 - Sforzacosta, south of Macerata close to the east coast of Italy in the Marche region.

    However please be careful with this information, please see http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/prisoners-war/37941-prisoner-war-lists.html for a further explanation, this information should really be verified by another source.

    Chris
     
  20. Groomerlad

    Groomerlad Junior Member

    Hi Errol, welcome to the Forum.
    I think you are referring to PG 57 Gruppignano near Udine South of Udiasta.

    The accomodation was in Wooden Buildings which are no longer there. The only thing left is the Church built by the POW which has been refurbished by the locals.
    Position given was 46.05N - 13.31E
    The Commander was Col Calcaterra who from all accounts was a bit of a B***tard. He was wanted for War Crimes committed against POW but I think he dissappeared.

    103 was the base for several Agricultural work camps.103/7 is said to have been at La Maina

    What I would do would be to check for any Report he MAY have made when Liberated as he could have been in other Camps in Italy.
    The File in the UK Archives would be WO 344/354/1

    Brian
    Hi Brian
    Would you know the address of the church at campo pg 57 as i having been trying to find church on google earth also we going to italy in april next year and would like to visit the old church and if anyone has visited there recently any information would be appreciated
    Cheers
    Errol
     

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