Casualty records

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by Edward Ions, Jul 25, 2017.

  1. Edward Ions

    Edward Ions Member

    As I said I have looked at the war diaries (unless some are stored outside the national archives). I will however put up a picture of the service records as soon as I can
     
  2. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    The only "record" that will tell you what type of injury or wound he suffered will be his own army medical papers. They ought to be with his service papers but MOD do not release them.

    The official Army Casualty list on FMP (published in The Times during WW2) only notes the class of casualty - it owes not describe the nature of the injury or wound. Not all types of injuries or wounds make the official list - IIRC military training accidents don't feature and neither do "off duty" accidents of a sporting nature.

    You may find some mention of his injury/wound in a local newspaper if you are lucky.

    Steve Y
     
  3. Edward Ions

    Edward Ions Member

    Here are the service records
     

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  4. Edward Ions

    Edward Ions Member

    Is there a way that they may give his medial papers to me and my dad? I would have thought they would have been given to us with his service record
     
  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Medical records are different and usually will not be available to anyone except the person whose records they are for 100 years - I am for example just about to receive the medical records for my Great Uncle who was injured in July 1917.

    TD
     
  6. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Unlike WW2 Commonwealth (Empire) combatant countries who put ALL service file papers online UK authorities use patient confidentiality to withhold the medical portions of service records they release to relatives.

    Steve Y
     
  7. Edward Ions

    Edward Ions Member

    Ok. Thanks for the info. I thought they might have been given when I went through the whole process for applying for the records
     
  8. Edward Ions

    Edward Ions Member

    Would have hoped they'd give them to relatives when the person asking is the grandson on behalf of the son. Maybe if I phone them they may be able to release them. I would really like to be able to tell my dad exactly what happened to his dad rather than wait another twenty something years
     
  9. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    No chance, this is Government legislation . These rules are never relaxed. I`m sure everyone has `exceptional circumstances` but as they will tell you (I`ve been there) rules are rules no exceptions ! :(
    Good Luck

    Kyle
     
  10. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Edward
    I believe that you will find that ending up on the x(ii) list does not mean that they will automatically be included on one of the Casualty Lists.

    My father was on x(ii) twice, each time passing through, firstly the Field Ambulance Station, then the Casualty Clearing Station, on to General Hospital and finally to a Convalescent Depot before returning to his unit. He did not appear on the Casualty Lists.
     
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  11. lionboxer

    lionboxer Member

    TD, at what point does the hundred years closure of medical records start from? Enlistment, termination of service or death?
    I'm hoping its enlistment as it's ninety years since my fathers and hopefully I shall be in with a shout to look at his records.
    Lionboxer
     
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Lionboxer

    His military medical record started in July 1917 when he was transported to a hospital in Scotland following battle 'injuries' in France. I was lucky enough to find a post card he sent to my grandfather from the hospital.

    I traced the hospital and contacted their archives about 3 years ago and have been waiting for this year since. Below is the initial reply I received from the hospital:

    "Under the 100 year rule it would be the end of 2017 before we would be allowed to give access to clinical records for 1917. However you could contact NHS Tayside, who still own the records, to see if they would allow you to have earlier access"

    Military service records are held by the MOD whereas health records appear to be held by Min Of Health and under their rules its 100 years.

    I am unclear as to the situation if the person had been cared for by a military hospital or clearing station following battle injury, and therefore not returned to the UK for treatment or recuperation, as to whether this information would be recorded and then placed on a person medical file generally i.e. after the war his/her local GP could see what injuries they had and if that would affect the 'current ailment'.

    TD
     
  13. lionboxer

    lionboxer Member

    Thanks TD. That's my luck out then...another twenty years as I know he was hospitalised in 1937 in Rawalpindi.

    Lionboxer
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Lionboxer

    It is always worth a punt to see what they say - it was on a rainy afternoon I was looking at this postcard and trying to decipher ~100 year old pencil written notes to my grandfather from his brother in law, and I thought well I wonder if this hospital still exists :unsure:......................................................

    TD
     
  15. lionboxer

    lionboxer Member

    The problem being to whom do I ask?!
    Lionboxer
     
  16. Edward Ions

    Edward Ions Member

    TD what seems a bit odd is that I have one of my great grandfathers medical records from 1918 and I've had them for at least 5 years. I thought it was 70 years when I got hold of them
     
  17. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    You never know until you ask - if you know who to ask of course and who owns the records

    TD
     
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