Book Review 'Catch That Tiger' - Churchill's secret order that prompted the most dangerous mission of WW2

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  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Posting this on behalf of Tom C, who I believe was having bother exporting it from a doc file:
    ~A
    Review of “Catch that Tiger” by Tom Canning

    On receiving my free copy of this book my first glance is to the pages relative to the backgrounds of the Authors, and other co contributors and was pleased to note that David Lidderdale was educated at Charterhouse. I was therefore assured of objective truth in all his notes of his Father's diaries as Charterhouse STILL celebrates a Requiem Mass on the Feast of all Souls with the proviso that since Vatican II ( 1962-65 ) many educational facilities have been penetrated by the various abuses which are the norm to-day as Truth appears to be Relative – but we live in Hope – or rather nearby at Agassiz !

    The Bio of Co Author Bruce Montague was spoiled by the fact that he has written for Hollywood .....
    his co author Noel Botham was born in York and educated at Dulwich – nothing wrong with that apart from being a very long commute to School whereas I complained at a six mile round trip to my school !

    The hardback issue is well laid out – attractive – colourful – and ruined by the sub title of “ Churchill's secret order that launched the most astounding and dangerous mission of World War II “ – thus setting the stage for the unbridled and objective truth – which is most unfortunate as both Gerry Chester of the NIH of 25th Army Tank bde who has shown the results of his search of the Kew Archives and myself a member of 145th RAC and 21st Army Tank bde- and sister regiment to 48th RTR whose 4th Troop
    actually killed this Tiger # 131and is the subject of the Bde's Legend which was disparaged on the WW2 Talk forum.....and so we begin.....

    First three chapters are innocent enough pure fiction of course but readable – it's chapter four which goes sideways with late ” '42 – early '43 being bad for the allies “ – No – it wasn't – we had started to win with Monty at Wadi El Halfa and Alamein 3 of Oct '42 – NO Churchill's were being knocked out in the hundreds as they didn't arrive in Algiers until the 25th ATB in late January '43 - 21st ATB with 4th Div in March '43

    Now this is the sloppy research performed by too many authors which gets me the reputation of being “ harsh” on authors - with some justification as the authors even ignore Churchill's erroneous statement that “ before Alamein we never had a victory and after Alamein we never had a defeat ” and ignoring the victories of Beda Fomm – Ethiopia – Syria - Tobruk – and the naval victories of Cape Matapan and Taranto - so very sloppy research and resented by many who took part in those victories !

    Chapters 5 – 11 innocent enough with the love interest and journey to a well described and smelly Algiers – which is unforgettable.....then we have Chapter12 and how Rommel – incorrectly led his Tigers into Kasserine so that is not boding well........

    Chapters 12 – 16 do not fail to register the fact that this is a book of unbounded fiction based on diaries
    of an 29 year old Charterhouse educated Major of the REME sitting in Tunisia having the gaul to declare himself a “ Desert Rat “ ( page 95). This makes me doubt the veracity of this diary which
    outlines his behaviour during a very short honeymoon. No one – in my experience of the North African campaign at any time ever denigrated the 8th Army's role in the desert of now Lybia by claiming to
    share that honourable role. Then to describe the actions of a mortally wounded Tank Commander is
    approaching the borders of the pale – while sitting some way off like an ancient Roman at the Coloseum.

    Chapter 17 – is unbelievably bad - even for fiction and I shall have to rest to gain
    the strength to read the other 21 Chapters awaiting me. This cannot be recorded in any diary...!

    Chapters 18-21 are hair raising in that the Charterhouse graduate appears to have no compunction in
    his downright lying to Churchill – Alanbrooke – Adams – Alexander – Anderson and many other higher ranking VIP's – not to forget HM King George V1 - with his account of how he and his stalwart team fought the crew of Tiger #131 to effect it's capture...........to say that I am surprised would be the understatement of all times but I should hope that the Heroic Major made an exceptionally good confession and received absolution for his sins prior to meeting his creator.

    Whilst the photographs after the fact do point to some elements of Truth – Chapter 17 – finishes off this account as being unworthy to set before a naive and innocent public - I cannot go any further in reading this – as my good friend Gerry Chester states “ bloody rubbish “.....at the same time – I have no doubt that someone in Hollywood will make a film of the books main line of the heroic capture by the major and his team...to the detriment of the members of both 21st and 25th Army Tank Bdes involved
    in the conflict.

    However fairness must be paramount and so I shall struggle on to read to the finish to learn in some amazement of the intrigues going on in that quiet little town of Bone after spending many days in the town from our base 20 miles South at Pentheverie - beautiful female spies and mysterious spy catchers et al……

    True fiction at it's best and extremely doubtful that this came from the diary of a well respected Officer as it becomes worse with an attack by a one man assassination gang to restore PzKwMkV1 to it's rightful owners - now that is a stretch as is the attack on a U Boat…..surely the potential book buyers have SOME Common sense
    - or am I in the past…?

    We then pass over the boredom of awaiting a convoy to arrive at Bone Harbour to Chapter 29 to read of Doenitz's order to the U Boat to seek and destroy this convoy……..This has to be a really BIG stretch

    Then we have the hair raising voyage to Scotland with aircraft falling out of the skies with monotonous frequency until Major Lidderdale’s meeting with Churchill and his promotion to Lt. Colonel and I have little doubt that this was well earned for his recovery efforts but some – especially Chapter 17 should be dropped from the narrative as being a total lie and an insult in the same manner as the reference to being a “Desert Rat “ - totally insulting.

    The epilogue notes that Brig. Tetley went back to the family Brewing business after the war but fails to mention that the actions of his 25th ATB at Operation Diadem in the Liri Valley gained them the
    “Maple Leaf ” Battle Honour from the Canadian Corps Commander – Lt Gen. Tommy Burns and equally important was the bottle of Tetley's beer to every man in the Brigade despite heavy losses in both Tanks and manpower to the newly arrived “Panther” Tank in May 1944...

    Sincerely
    Tom Canning
    ex 145th RAC
    21st Army Tank Brigade
     
  2. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Posting this on behalf of Tom C, who I believe was having bother exporting it from a doc file:
    ~A


    " and the naval victories of Cape Matapan and Taranto - "

    And the Battle of the River Plate was a pretty good one too.

    Dave
     
  3. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Dave -
    You are right of course but I was thinking Mid East victories with the reference to Alamein - and guess who caused the losses at Greece and Crete ...? both Alanbrooke and Monty sorted him out.....THEN we started to win all the time

    Cheers
     
  4. Gerry Chester

    Gerry Chester WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Hi all,


    I have received a request from a Bovington War Museum representive, Rosalind Skellhorn, to provide documentation to back up my comment on the Amazon review. Presently being in the UK I promised her I would send that which I have on record back in the US - plus additional material I am researching here - when I return there. Until then I suggested she visit the forum to read the slimmed down version material I posted together with Tom's contribution.

    Cheers, Gerry
     
  5. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Gerry,

    I would have thought that the Bovington Tank Museum could have made their own enquiries to back up the well documented History of this Tiger Tank that you have researched.

    It sounds like they do not believe you!!

    Regards
    Tom
     
  6. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    TSC

    Like both Gerry and yourself - I am astounded that Bovington are - at this late hour -

    querying Gerry's research.....amazing.....or is this just another newcomer with no

    knowledge of the past but is going on hearsay - and some dodgy diary....more than likely

    as the people who know have long gone from Bovvy......Gerry and I have been around for

    a lot longer than was expected......but we STILL have the OBJECTIVE truth....not this

    current Relative rubbish which appears to change every month....
    Cheers
     
  7. At Home Dad (Returning)

    At Home Dad (Returning) Well-Known Member

    Gerry - who does she represent?

    Odd that her name doesn't show up on google at all,
    especially if she's a historian or something similar.
     
  8. idler

    idler GeneralList

    Edit: link deleted - wasn't intended to inspire a witchhunt. Just thought it was a nice photo!

    [​IMG]

    It does make me wonder what Gerry's got that I haven't...
     
  9. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Idler -
    Gerry's got age and know how- he does spend a lot of time on the beaches of Bali- it doesn't get any better than that

    Cheers
     
  10. Gerry Chester

    Gerry Chester WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    This is surmise on my part but it seems that the Bovington folks have only located the fact that team preparing the Tiger for shipmemt to the UK was headed by Major Lidderdale, O/C 21st TB Reme unit. I have a photograph of him, together 21st TB C.O. and Lieutenant (later Captain when transferred to the NIH) R.T.Whatley, O/C 25th TB's REME unit, addressing the team assembled to do the job, one being an NIH chap.

    Assembling the documentation required a lot of digging, the easiest found being in NIH records and Tom's unit war diaries, the others not so - possibly Bovington folks have not be able, or tried, so to do.


    PS Skellorn it is Diane - with all the typing you have kindly done for me you know my skills - may I be forgiven for an odd H or two?

    Affectionately,Gerry
     
  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Aye, chaps - Only fair to say that I've removed a little chunk of posts at Gerry's suggestion (which I agree with).

    No call to get too cynical yet, and hope nobody minds the edit - this one very much in Gerry's hands I feel.

    ~A
     
  12. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    I would guess that we all approve of any editing of this thread that would be in Gerry's best interests but, being only human, I had a quick look to see if Eva Braun's knickers had survived the cull and was relieved to see that my comments had been retained.
    (Comment #212)

    I would not have been happy if these important relics of WW2 had been ignored in my serious review.

    Ron
     
  13. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Just a note on the emergence of the Tiger 1.

    What was the background of the author of a British Intelligence Report issued 3 November 1942, a Major Shallard, who noted that a new type of tank,Kpfw V1, was in the offing."This confirms as expected that a new tank heavier than the 111 or 1V, is being built".He urged both the Middle East and the Mission in Moscow to take urgent steps to obtain precise information on the characteristics of the Pz Kpfw V1.

    (Unknown to the War Office,the Russians had engaged their first Tiger outside Leningrad in August 1942 without communicating it to their Allies)
     
  14. At Home Dad (Returning)

    At Home Dad (Returning) Well-Known Member

    I would guess that we all approve of any editing of this thread that would be in Gerry's best interests

    Indeed, I think there's a bloody marvellous book
    here and a proper British war movie deal too!

    Get typing, Gerry!
     
  15. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Just a note on the emergence of the Tiger 1.

    What was the background of the author of a British Intelligence Report issued 3 November 1942, a Major Shallard, who noted that a new type of tank,Kpfw V1, was in the offing."This confirms as expected that a new tank heavier than the 111 or 1V, is being built".He urged both the Middle East and the Mission in Moscow to take urgent steps to obtain precise information on the characteristics of the Pz Kpfw V1.

    (Unknown to the War Office,the Russians had engaged their first Tiger outside Leningrad in August 1942 without communicating it to their Allies)

    Analysis of intelligence (e.g. information relating to barge loading capacity or railway transport requests for heavy items)?

    For example, in January 1942 the British were alerted to new, heavier tanks coming through to North Africa when a radio intercept was made of an inquiry whether Tripoli had cranes that could handle 23 tons.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  16. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Own up who was at the auction?




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  17. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Analysis of intelligence (e.g. information relating to barge loading capacity or railway transport requests for heavy items)?

    For example, in January 1942 the British were alerted to new, heavier tanks coming through to North Africa when a radio intercept was made of an inquiry whether Tripoli had cranes that could handle 23 tons.

    All the best

    Andreas

    Hi Andreas.

    Isn't that the weight of a Mark IV, though?

    Dave
     
  18. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Dave,
    As far as a weight is concerned, I believe the Mk IV was somewhere between 22000-25000 kg or 22-25 metric tonnes,
    depending on which model it was.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  19. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    At Home Dad

    How can we have a "bloody marvellous book and proper British Army Film " predicated on lies - thought that was Hollywood's speciality.?

    Cheers
     
  20. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Hi Andreas.

    Isn't that the weight of a Mark IV, though?

    Dave

    It's actually the weight of a Mark IV F/2 (aka Special). The point I tried to make (badly) was that from this inquiry the British intelligence suspected that a new type of tank was coming, heavier than the marks III/IV currently in service in North Africa.

    So an inquiry for a barge or crane with 56 tons capacity would probably have given them the same idea.

    All the best

    Andreas
     

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