simon, that would be fantastic mate. yep, cain and abel look correct to me. ive marked quiet a few locations on google earth. im hoping that map might show a bit more north...i can see point 162 [massif] the braganza box should be just a bit outa view. ill reimburse all costs through paypal or whatever you prefer, ill be going over this with a fine toothcomb lol hebridean, if the coords i have are coded that would be a big kick in the bollox!! it should be a well known cypher by now surely??