CWGC Archives, Exhumation & Re-burial returns: Maps, Map References Help requests

Discussion in 'War Cemeteries & War Memorial Research' started by Drew5233, May 9, 2015.

  1. ploughman

    ploughman Junior Member

  2. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Grave Concentration Report Form
    According to the report form this casualty was originally buried at – GR11/CB/38, is it possible to locate this? To me there doesn’t seem enough to get an accurate position. Trooper Donald Frederick Long was ultimately buried in Catania.

    Casualty details
    Many thanks
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  3. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron


    Just trying again to see if anyone can help with GR11/CB/38?
     
  4. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    GR11/CB/38 isnt a reference to a grave its a reference number to another report ? The one you originally posted is Report GR19/CB/30 you need to find Report GR11/CB/38 which in turn will give you a location . The report number alone gives you no clue to the area.

    Kyle
     
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  5. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Ah, yes - it all makes sense, thanks for the explanation.
     
  6. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    What the archives `may` contain ?

    Whilst looking at what I posted above regarding a reference to another report I noticed some of the concentration reports in relation to Adam Wakenshaw V.C and those DLI who died around him also had similar reference numbers ? I was even more surprised when I was sent a copy of this particular Graves Registration Report Form GR/2/P.L.86 complete with sketch map on the back showing the numbered grave locations of men from 9 DLI ? (from Verrieres) As this concentration only appears to be exclusively DLI does that mean Regimental concentrations may exist? This version is much earlier than the one on the CWGC website currently displays so I`m wondering if this one is from the archives ?

    Thanks

    Kyle
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  7. Skoyen89

    Skoyen89 Senior Member

    This is a great resource from the CWGC. Just a pity it doesn't say where the unidentified graves were first found.
     
  8. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    RESTORED NEW LINK 27/05/2021

    Found this tonight it was news to me ,not online but what a research tool bearing in mind the knowledge available here alone!
    Documents FAQs | CWGC
    Kyle
     
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  9. Marco80

    Marco80 Member

    I apologize for having answered to this old discussion and not to have created a new one, but I hope someone can help me in my research.
    In some of the Graves concentration report forms in the section "Previously buried at:" i noticed some abbreviation that i don't understand.
    For example:
    2CGRU/ GWB 37
    2CGRU/ GWB 33
    2CGRU/ GWB 35
    2CGRU/ CMB 2049
    I presume 2CGRU is reffered to 2nd Canadian graves registration unit, but the rest of the abbreviation what stand for?

    Thanks in advance,

    Marco
     
  10. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    Can any one help me please with finding where a casualty of ww1 was initially buried please I've looked through this thread for answers for myself but sorry I'm too thick to find it myself so any help in understanding would be great.
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    The chap I'm looking at is L/cpl W P Chicken Border Reg.
    If there is an easy explanation into how to find out to work the maps of where they were originally buried i would like someone to let me know cheers as I've got quite a few ill be looking at cheers very much.

    Regards Mike
     
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  11. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Mike
    Map sheet as stated is 28, although not mentioned I believe it is 28NW that also contains the cemetery. Reference is I.22.b.8.5

    Square I22 can be found SE of Ypres, it is divided into 4, square a is top left, b is top right, c in bottom left and d is bottom right.
    Map 1.jpg Map 2.jpg
    Square 'b' needs to be divided into tenths, 8 horizontally and 5 vertically, approx position as shown below:
    Map 4.jpg
     
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  12. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    Cheers Tony :cheers:
     
  13. OwainE

    OwainE New Member

    Identifying a grave site from Map Reference - Ottingen, 1945

    Good afternoon,

    I've been looking at a relatives War Records, on the Graves Concentration Report Form "Previous location of grave" has been noted, with a Place & Map Reference noted (Ottingen, Germany, Sht. M4 272876).

    Can anyone refer me to which map was used, and are these available online?

    Many thanks.
     
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  14. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Is it M4 or MR , could you provide a screen shot of detail - if you dont wish to link to whole thing?
     
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  15. OwainE

    OwainE New Member

    Hi dbf - M4 according to this document.
     

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    OwainE New Member

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  17. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

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    OwainE New Member

  19. 379/101 HAA

    379/101 HAA Ubique

    I`ve been reading through this thread with great interest but was particularly intrigued by this:

    Exhumation Reports

    These are documents which were produced when the war dead were exhumed in order to move them into a war cemetery or to confirm their identity. They generally include details of physique, dentistry, clothing, and equipment and can provide some location information about the initial burial. Examples are rare during the First World War and most of the exhumations concerning First World War war dead occurred in the 1930`s. Exhumation reports for individuals killed in the Second World War have not been released online since the contents of such documents could prove distressing to the next of kin of those concerned.


    I`m guessing that obtaining an exhumation record for a WW2 soldier from the CWGC is probably a non-starter due the usual caveat of needing to protect any living relatives from finding out something upsetting, as the above replies, but has anyone ever tried? I suspect they`ll be hiding behind the usual 115 year rule but I`d like to know more about my grandfather`s move; albeit I have some idea already.

    MTIA
     

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