CWGC Headstone/Memorial Error Reports and results.

Discussion in 'War Cemeteries & War Memorial Research' started by spidge, Nov 11, 2010.

  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    CWGC informed again.
    It has been like this for a few years.

    WOOLFORD, JAMES ALFRED Rank: Gunner Service No: 6853635 Date of Death: 21/06/1942 Age: 20 Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery Grave Reference Sec. 39. Grave 6177. Cemetery HARROW CEMETERY Additional Information:
    Son of William Francis and Caroline Woolford. of Harrow.
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    CWGC informed again.Grave has been like this for a few years


    HATTON, DENNIS F.

    Rank:

    Ordinary Seaman

    Service No:

    P/JX380530

    Date of Death:

    24/06/1943

    Age:

    19

    Regiment/Service:

    Royal Navy



    H.M.S. Southdown

    Grave Reference

    Sec. 37. Grave 5870.

    Cemetery

    HARROW CEMETERY

    Additional Information:
    Son of Frank Henry and Kate Hatton, of Harrow.
     

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  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    CWGC headstone broken
    CWGC informed


    WHITE, GEORGE PERCY

    Rank:

    Lieutenant

    Service No:

    194935

    Date of Death:

    02/11/1944

    Age:

    27

    Regiment/Service:

    Royal Artillery



    508 Coast Regt.

    Grave Reference

    Sec. 37. Grave 5904.

    Cemetery

    HARROW CEMETERY

    Additional Information:
    Son of Percy and Elizabeth White, of Harrow; husband of Irene White. of Harrow.
     
  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Roxeth Cemetery North West London
    Totally overgrown and no access to 4 WW1 burials
     

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  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    St Marys Churchyard North West London

    Totally over grown upper and lower church yards, and D.U.Lowson grave in a terrible state .I flagged this up a few years ago to CWGC and have re sent details.


    LOWSON, DONALD URQUHART

    Rank:

    Flight Lieutenant

    Trade:

    Pilot

    Service No:

    41306

    Date of Death:

    07/07/1941

    Age:

    28

    Regiment/Service:

    Royal Air Force



    102 Sqdn.

    Awards:

    D F C

    Grave Reference



    Cemetery

    HARROW (ST. MARY) LOWER CHURCHYARD

    Additional Information:
    Son of John and Margaret Lowson: husband of Rita May Lowson, of Norbreck. Blackpool, Lancashire.
     

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  6. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Hi Clive,

    Reminds of the trouble Judy had getting my WW1 lad Kensal Green All Souls in London.

    Before View attachment 122274 and After View attachment 122275

    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  7. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Hi Clive,

    Reminds me of the trouble Judy had getting my WW1 lad at Kensal Green All Souls in London.

    Before Slide2.JPG and After Slide1.JPG

    How many are in there is unknown.


    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  8. snailer

    snailer Country Member

    Interesting that CWGC has F/Lt Dowson as serving with 102 Squadron, all other sources have him at 10 OTU Abingdon flying Whitley Z6476.
    He did his last Op for 102 Squadron on 1st March '41 and was posted out on 7th.

    Dowson.JPG
     
  9. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    I would assume on the same line is Henry Melville "Dinghy" Young?

    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    I would add that a number of the older cemeteries/churchyards in the UK have areas which are kept over grown to encourage wild life,however the main issue is the number of private headstones/graves that are in a very poor state and damaged by this overgrowth and the elements.This is the challenge CWGC have in the UK to ensure the names are legible on many private headstones/graves.
     
  11. snailer

    snailer Country Member

    Yes Geoff,
    It is Dinghy Young, all three: Lowson, Frampton and Young finished their tours together and were awarded the DFC, Frampton was also killed at 10 OTU, on the 27th July.
    Young managed a couple more years...

    Pete
     
  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Stock reply from CWGC

    no idea why it mentions headstone cleaning and unless supplied a jungle equipment who would enter

    Thank you for your email.

    I would explain that there are more than 170,000 Commonwealth war graves in 12,000 different cemeteries and churchyards in the United Kingdom. The graves are inspected on an approximate 3-4 year cycle by Regional Supervisors who check for accessibility, legibility and damage. Where necessary, they will arrange for a replacement headstone to be produced and erected on the grave. In addition, we have teams who clean the headstones with a masonry biocide every 2-3 years, on a cyclical basis. The biocide helps keep the headstones free from algae and lichens but, if the stones are under heavy tree cover or in shady conditions, they may need to be cleaned more often and the cycle is adjusted, accordingly.

    As a result, we no longer encourage members of the public or groups to clean our headstones. However, we welcome any reports or concerns regarding legibility. Your comments will, therefore, be copied to the Regional Supervisor for his information and action, where necessary, to ensure that standards are met.

    Please find attached a casualty report with information that might help you locate the graves in the burial ground.

    In closing, I would like to thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

    I hope you find this information useful.
     
  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    CWGC reply

    I first sent details of the poor state in May 2012

    Thank you contacting us regarding Harrow (St. Mary) Lower Churchyard.
    Please allow me to explain that there are more than 170,000 Commonwealth war graves in 12,000 different cemeteries and churchyards in the United Kingdom. We seek to ensure the continued maintenance of Commonwealth war graves in the United Kingdom by entering into maintenance agreements for their upkeep. These are normally made with the controlling authority, cemetery or churchyard concerned or individuals and is sometimes provided free of charge. The standard of maintenance achieved under these arrangements varies considerably but the minimum acceptable standard is that the grave should be kept tidy and, if laid to grass, be cut reasonably short through the growing season.
    In the UK, all war graves are inspected on an approximate 3-4 year cycle by Regional Supervisors who check for accessibility, legibility and damage. Where necessary, they will arrange for a replacement headstone to be produced and erected on the grave.
    Our records show that this churchyard was last inspected on 15 August 2012. However, in view of your comments, I will copy our correspondence to the Regional Supervisor for his information and action, where necessary, to ensure that appropriate standards are met.
    In closing, I would like to thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention and if there is anythng else we can do for you, please do not hesitate to contact us again. We will do our best to help.
     
  14. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA Patron

    Photo of the revised spelling on the headstone taken on 6 June 2014

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  15. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Headstone has fallen over,tree growing through the grave
    CWGC informed


    CINI, ADRIAN FRANCIS ARMANDO

    Rank:

    Private

    Service No:

    97005484

    Date of Death:

    24/12/1943

    Regiment/Service:

    Royal Army Pay Corps

    Grave Reference

    Sec. 20. R.C. Grave 22.

    Cemetery

    ST. PANCRAS CEMETERY
     

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  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    reply from CWGC
    again I reported this a while back and re reported recently

    Thank you for your email.

    In the UK, all war graves are inspected on an approximate 3-4 year cycle by Regional Supervisors who check for accessibility, legibility and damage. Where necessary, they will arrange for a replacement headstone to be produced and erected on the grave.

    Our records show that St Pancras Cemetery was last inspected on 15 February 2012. In view of your comments, I will copy our correspondence to the Regional Supervisor for his information and action, where necessary, to ensure that appropriate standards are met.

    In closing, I would like to thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.
     
  17. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    I really wish I could get a job as a regional supervisor!! Would suit me down to the ground.

    Cheers

    Geoff
     
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  18. PaulC

    PaulC Member

    DEWHURST, JOHN
    Rank: Private
    Service No: 7629886
    Date of Death: 01/08/1943
    Age: 32
    Regiment/Service: Royal Army Ordnance Corps
    Grave Reference: Row P. Grave 260.
    Cemetery: WRIGHTINGTON (ST. JAMES THE GREAT) CHURCHYARD
    Additional Information: Son of Priscilla Dewhurst, of Heskin; husband of Mary Dewhurst, of Heskin.

    Headstone has recently fallen over:

    June 2014
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    September 2014
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  19. PaulC

    PaulC Member

    TYLDSLEY-WARBURTON, JOYCE
    Rank: Aircraftwoman 1st Class
    Service No: 430306
    Date of Death: 06/11/1941
    Regiment/Service: Women's Auxiliary Air Force
    Grave Reference: Plot C. Grave 7.
    Cemetery: POULTON-LE-FYLDE NEW CEMETERY

    Memorial has fallen over; CWGC informed.
     

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  20. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    A few that I have sent off to CWGC of late. The two headstones mentioned will be replaced.


    RAAF 427206 Flt Sgt P R Smith, (Wireless Air Gunner)

    SMITH, PHILLIP FRANCIS
    Flight Sergeant
    427206
    20/11/1944
    20
    Royal Australian Air Force
    Australian
    Coll. grave 7. B. 5-7.
    RHEINBERG WAR CEMETERY
    The headstone carries the cap badge of the RAF not the RAAF.
    Smith_PF 1600x1200.jpg

    I would like to report (photo attached) that an Australian’s RAAF “Cap Badge” at Durnbach War Cemetery, Bavaria Germany is incorrect.

    Flight Sergeant Bernard Kerlin RAAF 413610
    Kerlin_B 1600x1200.jpg
    The headstone carries the cap badge of the Australian AIF not the RAAF.

    This one below is only a correction to the database.

    This members 2nd Christian name is listed on the database as SECK which is most likely a copying error.

    The nominal roll details show the correct spelling.


    Service Record
    Name
    WALKER, ALEXANDER BECK
    Service
    Royal Australian Air Force
    Service Number
    436305
    Date of Birth
    24 Oct 1911
    Place of Birth
    BALMAIN, NSW
    Date of Enlistment
    3 Dec 1942
    Locality on Enlistment
    Unknown
    Place of Enlistment
    PERTH
    Next of Kin
    WALKER, LILLIAN
    Date of Death
    4 Mar 1945
    Rank
    Flight Sergeant
    Posting on Death
    467 SQUADRON
    WW2 Honours and Gallantry
    None for display
    Prisoner of War
    No
    Roll of Honour
    Unknown
     
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