I will not make any comment except asking for people to check out this link and if they feel it is a worthwhile cause to sign up...... Inquiry into the Murder of 18 Soldiers,Warrenpoint Northern Ireland 1979 - e-petitions
I will happily comment as unlike the events of 'Bloody Sunday', those 16 Paras and two QOH, were without any doubt whatsoever MURDERED by the ira....signed
Other than point scoring what is the point? If there was any evidence against a suspect then surely they would have been charged before now? Indiscriminate 'return' fire from the Paras killed an English tourist in The Irish Republic and seriously wounded another so there could be complications. The only way forward is to leave the past behind.
Other than point scoring what is the point? If there was any evidence against a suspect then surely they would have been charged before now? Indiscriminate 'return' fire from the Paras killed an English tourist in The Irish Republic and seriously wounded another so there could be complications. The only way forward is to leave the past behind. Hmmm............I wonder Bloody Sunday murder inquiry to be launched by Northern Ireland police | UK news | The Guardian
Hmmm............I wonder Bloody Sunday murder inquiry to be launched by Northern Ireland police | UK news | The Guardian I will be frank with you. The present Bloody Sunday Inquiry is just as rigged as the original one was. The chances of any British soldier facing criminal charges are remote to say the least. Hell will freeze over before any soldier is charged. The outcome is a forgone conclusion. The soldiers will be shown to have fired at innocent civilians so the Republicans will be partialy pleased. Those who believe the British Army can do no wrong will claim the lack of charges show they were right. Everyone sees what they want and hopefully we move on. I have to say it again all those who want to pick over tha past (but only to bame the other side for everything) are the problem. Learn from the mistakes rather than keep reliving them.
Other than point scoring what is the point? If there was any evidence against a suspect then surely they would have been charged before now? Indiscriminate 'return' fire from the Paras killed an English tourist in The Irish Republic and seriously wounded another so there could be complications. The only way forward is to leave the past behind. I wish, however as ive been called to see the Historical Enquiries Team, a lovely title which makes me feel old and what i did rather unappreciated as they wish to talk about a 'cold case' from 1979. the guilty party or parties may get the punishment he/they deserve, rather than living so many years happy and freely when my friends didnt get the chance. However it seems the only ones who get justice are the Terrorists, as soon as the British Army or RUC or UDR are mentioned its @what is the point'
What's the point ? These days, even the Queen shakes hands with unrepentant terrorists. The past can't be left behind until Adams and McGuiness serve time.
I will be frank with you. The present Bloody Sunday Inquiry is just as rigged as the original one was. The chances of any British soldier facing criminal charges are remote to say the least. Hell will freeze over before any soldier is charged. The outcome is a forgone conclusion. The soldiers will be shown to have fired at innocent civilians so the Republicans will be partialy pleased. Those who believe the British Army can do no wrong will claim the lack of charges show they were right. Everyone sees what they want and hopefully we move on. I have to say it again all those who want to pick over tha past (but only to bame the other side for everything) are the problem. Learn from the mistakes rather than keep reliving them. So its fine to flog to death the events of 40 years ago in favour of the republican cause, but not to question the murder of 18 British soldiers who were blown to bloody pieces at least the Irish had bodies to bury! pick over the past when it suits but as Gliderider says forget it when it does not!
I don't think an enquiry is needed, just a thorough police investigation. Call me cynical in my old age but if anyone is ever brought to book for this then their sentence will not reflect the crime for fear of upsetting the so called "peace process". Those of us that served there know that peace won't come from a piece of paper declaring such. Attitudes must change and on both sides of the community. Animosities and distrust that have festered for years will take just as long to be bred out of the culture.
What's the point ? These days, even the Queen shakes hands with unrepentant terrorists. The past can't be left behind until Adams and McGuiness serve time. I did some work in Belfast in 2002. Part of the gig was a visit to Stormont (or whatever it is called these days). We were told that Martin McGuiness would meet with us for shake of hands, etc., at 'X' time. I couldn't bring myself to shake hands with McGuiness, nor speak to him or even be in his company, so I left... A personal thing, I appreciate, but I could still now not shake hands with the man; and I don't understand why the Queen did?!? If Bloody Sunday is worthy an investigation, then so is Warrenpoint... Best, Steve.
If the Queen shaking hands with an ex-terrorist stops another Omagh or Enniskillen then so be it. As distastful as it may be to some if a generation can grow up free of the troubles it has to be worth it.
We all know what happened at Warrenpoint and even that one of the main suspects is still alive. However there is not enough evidence to convict him so what do you expect to learn from an inquiry? The 'Bloody Sunday' inquiry is going to do nothing more than make a definitive statement as to the guilt or innocence of the dead. If the judge goes native then the fix will go in from a higher level. That is a fact of life. The system in the UK is never going to allow its soldiers to suffer even if they kill and if you dispute this check what happened to the 4 soldiers who were found guilty of murder. As I said earlier the choice is to keep going over the past or move forward. Both sided got it wrong and there are no white hats in a civil war.
We all know what happened at Warrenpoint and even that one of the main suspects is still alive. However there is not enough evidence to convict him so what do you expect to learn from an inquiry? . "Gardai are accused of destroying evidence which could have convicted the IRA men who killed 18 soldiers at Narrow Water in 1979. "The bombing at Warrenpoint was the worst single casualty toll sustained by the Army during the Troubles. A retired senior forensics officer in the Republic has gone - on record over his deep concerns that two IRA men who allegedly triggered the two 800 lb bombs were never charged because there was substantial scientific evidence gathered from the scene. Jim Donovan said there was more forensic evidence than was required to convict the bomber behind the killing of Lord Mountbatten and three others on the same day, August 27,1979. The IRA attacked an Army convoy from the Republic side of Carlingford Lough at Narrow Water. A bomb was detonated on the Ulster side, killing six soldiers. A gun battle then raged and as soldiers took cover a second device went off killing another half-a-dozen men. The two IRA men one of whom was Brendan Burns, later killed in 1988 when a bomb he was handling went off-were stopped by gardai heading away from Narrow Water on a motorcycle. Later a search of the area is believed to have found the IRA vantage point and discarded cigarette butts and lemonade bottles. These items and the bike were vital to forensics. A source said: "Burns and (his accomplice) were arrested on the southern side. They were taken in for questioning and that's when the forensics was matched on them. "There were lemonade bottles found at the scene with their fingerprints on them as well, and found on the bombers' clothing and the motorbike were traces of ammonium nitrate and firearms residue. "The evidence was held in Dundalk Garda station until allegedly renovations were taking place and it was literally dumped in a skip. "They had actually held the bike as evidence and it was dumped too. "For a senior forensics officer to come out and openly question this suggests something was seriously wrong there." The IRA men at Narrow Water went on to be involved in further atrocities. It is feared that the garda who was believed to be the IRA's senior link in Co Louth was involved in the Narrow Water investigation and was involved in the cover-up." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ras-bombs.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...ffset=0&page=1 Warrenpoint 30th anniversary - Page 2
How about we all take AM's wise original position while just signing or not signing the petition as we each see fit. I will not make any comment Otherwise, in forum terms, this can only end one way - as it always has in the past. ~A
