German engineering

"He reminds me of something that I occasionally pick up on my shoe in the gutter! Very unpleasant, on a hot day. "

 

March has been a great month, eh?
Trouble comes in threes, right?
What a trifecta of strange this month has brought.

 

"Emasculated" ? Us ? I thought it was Fanboy's Best Mate Adolf who had problems in that area ?

hitler has only got one ball - Seedy Songs and Rotten Rhymes - the poetry of the playground

 

This chick could indubitably kick all your asses. You guys got your heads so far up the ass of the former British Empire it's hilarious. All you guys do is spew long sentences of nonsense like consultants. You try to nitpick every little thing, because you don't want to see the big picture. Britain needed America to enter the war, because Germany was going to win without America's help. One of you Nimrods told me that Roosevelt lined up a Germany First policy only because Hitler declared war. Oh, and what was the attack on Pearl Harbor? An act of diplomacy? Hitler may have declared war, but that was nothing compared to actually bombing our warships on our turf. Please. Roosevelt went after Germany first because he had to for the Allies to win. You are all so pathetically desperate to prove what is obviously bulls***. Then you have the audacity to say I'm a fanboy. I'm moving on now, because there is nothing that anyone of intellect can gain from you. Have fun propagating lies about how tough and smart The British Empire was. I guess it's still hard to deal with how badly Germany emasculated you
He talks about the big picture and yet as far as he's concerned all he's mentioning is the US and the British Empire in the fight against Germany. Eh, Soviet Union, no????

ah Dont go! We havent even talked about the wonderfulness of the Graf Spee and how she took on the entire of the British Uruguayan fleet, not to mention the Tirpitz who, from its Fjord personally attacked the entire of Bomber Command!!!
Its amazing how much German Naval Engineering was suffering from High Salt content by 1945.

And for the record, I love the British Empire. It gave us tea and a civil service and gave David Lean a career as a film director. :p

 

Nonetheless, if Hitler were killed in 44 and especially 43, and thus his madness was taken out of the equation, the Germans most likely would've won the war
Yeah but he wasnt and you have no proof to back this statement up. Why would he be killed? The Germans most likely would have won the war? Again with the sweeping statements and no back up to it.

 

They were a tiny country with little natural resources goin up against the largest empires in the world.
That tiny little country was 80,600,000 in 1939, to call any country with that sort of population "tiny" shows a great ignorance about the subject matter. I've taken my numbers from the Feldgrau website: Statistics and Numbers

The US population is 132,000,000 for the same year: US Population: From 1900

France's population was : 41,000,000 World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the United Kingdom was 47,000,000.

They had one of the largest armed forces on the planet and in 1939 it was probably the most effective fighting force (mind you, they did have a few years head start on everyone else)

Resource wise they had shortages alright but they were never ever a "tiny" country in any shape of the word.

 

Gerard, may I quote a proverb from here? "The longer you stir a piece of shit, the worse it will smell". This guy Yossarian has managed not to have a single voice in his support, and all the others were derisive: no one was taking him seriously enough to warrant one angry word.

Garden Gnome tried to be a Troll, he did not succeed. Do him a favour: treat him as a Troll.

 

Gerard, may I quote a proverb from here? "The longer you stir a piece of shit, the worse it will smell". This guy Yossarian has managed not to have a single voice in his support, and all the others were derisive: no one was taking him seriously enough to warrant one angry word.

Garden Gnome tried to be a Troll, he did not succeed. Do him a favour: treat him as a Troll.
You're right Za, I should leave the gnome alone, thats my final word on the subject!

 

Gnome alone?

 

That's an easy one for me. The ridiculously over-engineered but absolutely fabulous FAMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbzyZm-_SEk

 

Spotted this read earlier whilst looking for another matter and then Twitter delivers the photo below and with a caption:

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From the: THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORTH-WEST EUROPE 1944-45

Then an interested Twitter user added:

To which Dr Rob Johnson (Oxford University military historian) responded:

 

Yes, there were some good designs, but no they were not 'always' ahead. Air, sea and land:

Plenty of examples of aircraft designs or construction or both, that were poor: Me 209, Me 210, ME 163, He 177, Ta 154, (add more if you wish).

XXI submarine modules that did not fit together at final assembly: They "were made by companies having little experience with shipbuilding, after a decision by Albert Speer. As a result, of 118 Type XXIs constructed, only four were fit for combat before the Second World War ended in Europe. Of these, only two conducted combat patrols and neither sank any Allied ships." (Wiki)

Goliath self propelled demolition vehicles " Although a total of 7,564 Goliaths were produced, the single-use weapon was not considered a success due to high unit cost, low speed (just above 6 kilometres per hour (3.7 mph)), poor ground clearance (just 11.4 cm (4.5 in)), the vulnerable control cable, and thin armour which could not protect the vehicle from small-arms fire. The Goliath was also too big and heavy to be easily man-portable. They mostly failed to reach their targets." (Wiki).

These were just pulled from memory. If I put a little more time in, I could get more.

 

Basically, the idea of German armament was based on the principle of countering quantity with quality. So far, so right.
What was not understood, however, was that it was not a question of production quality, but of the quality of the concept:

When, for example, a captured Spitfire was examined in 1941, it was found that 2/3 of the riveting would never have passed German quality control.
Gaps reminiscent of poorly aligned accident damage were normal manufacturing tolerances in British aircraft construction.
However, as we all know, this played no role whatsoever in the quality of the fighter concept.

Put simply: In Germany, the aim was to produce a finished product of high manufacturing quality, regardless of whether the concept was suitable.
In the UK, large-scale manufacturing standards were sufficient if the concept was proven to be good.

 

Sounds similar to US manufacturer's analysis of RR Merlin blueprints. They weren't questioning the final quality of the individual pieces.

While Rolls-Royce’s manufacturing techniques churned out very high quality engines, they simply didn’t jibe with Packard’s way of doing things (or Ford in Manchester for that matter). In his book “Not Much of An Engineer”, Rolls-Royce engineer Sir Stanley Hooker recalls his introduction to the matter with Ford: “One day their Chief Engineer appeared in Lovesey’s office, which I was then sharing, and said, ‘You know, we can’t make the Merlin to these drawings.’ I replied loftily, ‘I suppose that is because the drawing tolerances are too difficult for you, and you can’t achieve the accuracy.’ ‘On the contrary’ he replied, ‘the tolerances are far too wide for us.’ We make motor cars far more accurately than this. Every part on our car engines has to be interchangeable with the same part on any other engine, and hence all parts have to be made with extreme accuracy, far closer than you use. That is the only way we can achieve mass-production.’”

https://www.jrcengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/PACKARD-ROLLS-ROYCE-MERLIN-WHITWORTH.pdf