H T B Adam died 1940

Discussion in '1940' started by chaz, Mar 8, 2015.

  1. chaz

    chaz Active Member

    Hello
    Im new to WW2 forums but been around WW1 for a few years.
    currently in France looking at houses for sale and combining with CWGC visits. Today using CWGC POI on the sat nav we called into Framecourt Church and visited the grave of Lance Corporal Herbert Thomas Bardell Adam, 6287810.
    interestingly his date of commemoration is between 17-05-1940 and 08-11-1940. also on CWGC records.

    Casualty

    Ive seen on another post in the 1940 mention of the Buffs in the area but could not see Herbert's name, does any one know why there would be such a gap between May and November for his death, I would have thought an actual date would be known, any idea please,
     
  2. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter 1940 Obsessive

    Hello Chaz, there are quite a number of BEF memorials with widely spaced dates (although this one is exceptional). Generally, the dates would be those when he was last seen and that of the finding of his remains. Perhaps in this case there was a suggestion that he was wounded and cared for locally but the occupation meant that nothing could be recorded officially.

    With a bit of luck, Drew will be along shortly to check in 5 Buffs' 'Missing Men' files.
     
  3. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hopefully Drew has the file, which does exist for the missing Buffs from the BEF. Of course Herbert may not be mentioned.
     
  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    A bit of info here


    Margate War Memorial
    1939
    -
    1945 Roll of Honour

    Servicemen (in alphabetical order)
    ADAM
    H. T. B.
    6287810 L/Cpl Herbert Thomas Bardell Adam, 5th Bn The Buffs
    Reported missing in May 1940 whilst serving as a Territorial during the France and Flanders Campaign (Dunkirk). He was aged 22 and was officially reported, at the end of March 1941, as killed in action. The CWGC show his date of death as 17th May–8th November 1940. He was formerly employed by Bobby & Co.
    Interred at Framecourt Churchyard, Pas de Calais, France


    http://www.margatecivicsociety.org.uk/Margate%20War%20Memorial%20WWII%20Roll%20of%20Honour%20-%20Parts%20I%20&%20II%20rev1.pdf



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    http://en.tracesofwar.com/article/42604/Commonwealth-War-Grave-Framecourt.htm
     
  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    This has an ever wider date:

    Herbert Adam in the UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
    Name: Herbert Adam
    Given Initials: H T B
    Rank: Lance Corporal
    Death Date: 1940
    Number: 6287810
    Birth Place: Kent
    Residence: Kent
    Branch at Enlistment: Infantry
    Theatre of War: France and Belgium Campaign, 1939/40
    Regiment at Death: Buffs (Royal East Kent Regiment)
    Branch at Death: Infantry

    However the family tree for him is a little more accurate, but coincides with Chaz's details - but then he may be the originator of the tree


    Herbert Thomas Bardell Adam
    Birth: Oct Nov Dec 1918 (Oct 1918) - Surrey
    Death: 17 May 1940 - Framecourt, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France



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  6. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    I've checked the nominal roll of 5 Buff's who arrived in Le Havre on 20 April 1940 and Herbert Adam's name is not on the list. It'll be interesting to see if anything is in the Buff's missing men files, as 2 Buffs were also with the BEF.
     
  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

  8. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    There's not much on the 5th Bn in the missing men file. It mainly focus's on the 2nd Battalion. I have found Adam's listed with 5th Bn though and listed as 'died' which would suggest to me that he may have been wounded and died of those wounds - Make of it what you will. You may have some joy talking to the locals with it being only one grave in their churchyard.

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  9. chaz

    chaz Active Member

    thanks for the thoughts and info. dicky the family tree nothing to do with me.

    funny, you visit all the big cemeteries and memorials , hundreds and thousands there, then you drive round innocently come across a small village church and find strays
     

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