Haunted Lincoln Bomber Cosford.

I just wondered if anyone would be interested in viewing my image of a supposed Ghost Airman in the cockpit of the Lincoln Bomber of Cosford, I have had a lot of feedback off people who can make out the image and also from people who can't, any feedback welcome, is it there or not its up to you the image is in the Gallery under Haunted Lincoln, are there indeed any such things as Ghosts, are there Ghost Airmen that frequent our former airbases or is it all nonsence, there are a lot of books on the subject including Bruce Barrymore Halpenny's 'Ghost Stations,' Cheers Brenfan.

 

Originally posted by Brenfan@Jun 10 2005, 10:38 AM
I just wondered if anyone would be interested in viewing my image of a supposed Ghost Airman in the cockpit of the Lincoln Bomber of Cosford, I have had a lot of feedback off people who can make out the image and also from people who can't, any feedback welcome, is it there or not its up to you the image is in the Gallery under Haunted Lincoln, are there indeed any such things as Ghosts, are there Ghost Airmen that frequent our former airbases or is it all nonsence, there are a lot of books on the subject including Bruce Barrymore Halpenny's 'Ghost Stations,' Cheers Brenfan.
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The subject of the "haunted" Lincoln has been doing the rounds for years. As for the photo, I would prefer to see the original print rather than a scanned one.

I was lucky enough, whilst in trade training to be allowed to climb all over the particular Lincoln at Cosford. Despite the fact it was at night and I was alone, I felt absolutely nothing.

in addition, i listened to a programme on Radio 4 which claimed to have a tape recording of "spooky" noises from within the Lincoln. Had they attached an oscilloscope to the tape machine, they would have found out that instead of being Ghostly noises, the answer was close at hand, the sounds where in fact radar pulses from the AR1 radar at Cosford which had been picked up by the tape recorder.

This was the result of a common phenomenon called "breakthrough".

 

If there was really a ghost at an RAF base, the Flight Sergeant would have him doing push-ups for being out of uniform.

 

Originally posted by Kiwiwriter@Jun 10 2005, 05:58 PM
If there was really a ghost at an RAF base, the Flight Sergeant would have him doing push-ups for being out of uniform.
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At Cosford, there is Fulton block which was suppossed to be the biggest piece of accomodation ever built in Europe. it was supposed to be haunted by the ghost of Lady Fulton, wife of the person it was named after. Airman claimed to have been woken up by someone tucking them in at at night

RAF Pitreavie castle had the "Green Lady" who was thought to wander the building at night. She was in fact caused by the moon shing through the stained glass windows.

What was more scarey was the fact that when doing security checks, the lights switch for the very long corrider leading to the registry was at the opposite end from the stairs. So youhad to walk along a pich black corridor and all of a sudden, the urials would flush!!!!!

 

Just myths I,m afraid.

Makes a little money for the authors and brings on the punters.

But then at a RAF reunion a friend tried to convince me that it happens.His wife interjected,Don't believe him ,He has only adopted this view as he has got older.My submission to him was "and you with your scientific training and background accepting it"just as he was saying "bearing in mind my scientific background".

The usual story seems to be based around a former Polish aircrew member who had lost his life in an aircraft crash either on the airfield or surrounding area.

 

Cant say I would suspect a ghost but if its legend brings more people to take an interest in areas of World War 2, then I might have seen it

 

I am not a believer in ghosts, but if you are asking whether I can see some sort of human image in the photo, no I can't, just some light reflections.

 

Originally posted by Lee Wisener@Jun 12 2005, 10:18 AM

Cant say I would suspect a ghost but if its legend brings more people to take an interest in areas of World War 2, then I might have seen it
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the biggest ghost story attached to WW" is that if you go out at midnight when there is a Bombers moon, then you are supposed to see the ghostly forms of the aircraft that never made it back!

i hope some one told airtraffic!

 

Originally posted by Harry Ree@Jun 10 2005, 06:25 PM
Just myths I,m afraid.

Makes a little money for the authors and brings on the punters.

But then at a RAF reunion a friend tried to convince me that it happens.His wife interjected,Don't believe him ,He has only adopted this view as he has got older.My submission to him was "and you with your scientific training and background accepting it"just as he was saying "bearing in mind my scientific background".

The usual story seems to be based around a former Polish aircrew member who had lost his life in an aircraft crash either on the airfield or surrounding area.
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The History Channel does the same thing, a show called "Haunted History," about ghosts who mysteriously only haunt publicly-accessible buildings, like museums, restaurants, and hotels, or whose haunting sights can be seen on guided tours, given for a price.

I guess ghosts only work for money. They probably get a percentage of the cut.

 

I was wondering1 Most RAF stations, including those over seas have stories about Ghosts.

Now, what happens when the station closes down? Do the resident ghosts go to a central holding unit to await a new posting?

 

Originally posted by morse1001@Jun 14 2005, 08:14 AM
I was wondering1 Most RAF stations, including those over seas have stories about Ghosts.

Now, what happens when the station closes down? Do the resident ghosts go to a central holding unit to await a new posting?
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They have to park their cars in the Central Mirage, and finish locking up the base with a Skeleton Key.

 

They could spend their free time writing the autobiographies of senior military commanders!

They could go out onto the parade square for an hours close order drill. it may not be but it would feel like an eternity!

 

Originally posted by morse1001@Jun 15 2005, 04:29 PM
They could spend their free time writing the autobiographies of senior military commanders!

They could go out onto the parade square for an hours close order drill. it may not be but it would feel like an eternity!
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But they would also know how to avoid being seen by the sergeant-major!

Great lines, too!

 

Originally posted by Kiwiwriter+Jun 16 2005, 02:00 PM-->(Kiwiwriter @ Jun 16 2005, 02:00 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-morse1001@Jun 15 2005, 04:29 PM
They could spend their free time writing the autobiographies of senior military commanders!

They could go out onto the parade square for an hours close order drill. it may not be but it would feel like an eternity!
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But they would also know how to avoid being seen by the sergeant-major!

Great lines, too!
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Come off it! sergeant-majors can see through walls! At least thats how if feels when they catch you doing something, you should not be doing!

 

Originally posted by morse1001+Jun 20 2005, 01:57 PM-->(morse1001 @ Jun 20 2005, 01:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Kiwiwriter@Jun 16 2005, 02:00 PM
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They could spend their free time writing the autobiographies of senior military commanders!  

They could go out onto the parade square for an hours close order drill. it may not be but it would feel like an eternity!  
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But they would also know how to avoid being seen by the sergeant-major!

Great lines, too!
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Come off it! sergeant-madjors can see through walls! At least thats how if feels when they catch you doing something, you should not be doing!
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Another reason why ghosts won't stay at a military base.

Of course, if it was an officer's ghost, it would be a different story...the RSM wouldn't yell, he'd just say quietly, "You are being very clever, sir," in front of the CO, who would then yell at the officer's ghost after the RSM returned to the parade formation.

 

Originally posted by Kiwiwriter+Jun 20 2005, 08:28 PM-->(Kiwiwriter @ Jun 20 2005, 08:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by morse1001@Jun 20 2005, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Kiwiwriter@Jun 16 2005, 02:00 PM
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They could spend their free time writing the autobiographies of senior military commanders!

They could go out onto the parade square for an hours close order drill. it may not be but it would feel like an eternity!
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But they would also know how to avoid being seen by the sergeant-major!

Great lines, too!
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Come off it! sergeant-majors can see through walls! At least thats how if feels when they catch you doing something, you should not be doing!
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Another reason why ghosts won't stay at a military base.

Of course, if it was an officer's ghost, it would be a different story...the RSM wouldn't yell, he'd just say quietly, "You are being very clever, sir," in front of the CO, who would then yell at the officer's ghost after the RSM returned to the parade formation.
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if its a ghost of a second or first lieu then then so long as the RSM uses sir then he can be as sarcastic as he wants

But they would also know how to avoid being seen by the sergeant-major!


I always knew a good RSM could scared the living daylights out of anyone!

 

Originally posted by Kiwiwriter+Jun 20 2005, 08:28 PM-->(Kiwiwriter @ Jun 20 2005, 08:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by morse1001@Jun 20 2005, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Kiwiwriter@Jun 16 2005, 02:00 PM
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They could spend their free time writing the autobiographies of senior military commanders!  

They could go out onto the parade square for an hours close order drill. it may not be but it would feel like an eternity!  
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But they would also know how to avoid being seen by the sergeant-major!

Great lines, too!
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Come off it! sergeant-majors can see through walls! At least thats how if feels when they catch you doing something, you should not be doing!
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Another reason why ghosts won't stay at a military base.

Of course, if it was an officer's ghost, it would be a different story...the RSM wouldn't yell, he'd just say quietly, "You are being very clever, sir," in front of the CO, who would then yell at the officer's ghost after the RSM returned to the parade formation.
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I know it is off topic but i could not resist it. here is one of my favourite stories concerning RSMs

It is a story told by Lord Snowdon and concerns the late King Hussain of Jordan while he was a cadet at Sandhurst.

The king was part of a squad undergoing drill under the capable eye of ASM Britten. The ASM shouted "Squad! left Turn" everyone except the King turned left, the king instead turned right!

The ASM went slightly red in the face and shouted at King Hussain "Stand still! You idle little monarch"


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I'm sure I've read an interview with the Museum Director, where he admits that the Lincoln ghost was a pure invention, to bring in more visitors...

I was disappointed. Having said that, there are countless records of airbases being haunted, so just because this one place isn't, doesn't mean that none of them are... if that makes any sense!

JaneAS

 

Love the stories guys.
As to RAF bases being haunted, I know two ex-Starfish lad's who were based at RAF Cranage in Cheshire. This was a nightfighter, Central school of navigation and Wimpy factory site. It was also very prone to ground mist. All that's left now is a few air raid bunkers and some roads. And these are about to be bulldozed.
Anyway, during the war these lads were witness to a Hurricane crash landing. As they were running across, the pilot shot back his canopy, released his harness, climbed out, and walked several yards before dropping to the ground. The impact had broken his neck, killing him instantly. So it was a dead man that got out of that plane.
They are also quite adamant that on early mornings, when the mist was up to the waist, but it was bright sunlight, they would walk across the airfield and another airman would be walking towards them. As they got within a few feet of one another, face to face, the other airman would vanish. He hadn't been there, but he looked as solid as you or I. Having visited Cranage several times, I can tell you there is a definite feeling to the place. Almost sad.
As to the Lincoln photo. There's nothing there except light reflections. The bomber isn't haunted. But I do suggest you have a close look at the Mossy sat around the hangar from it. There's something about that one that could be interesting...

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I wondered if anyone else had any tales of ghosts / hauntings around Cranage?

Thanks,
JaneAS