Help tracing descendants of 149 Sqdn Wellington T2897 crew

Hi Gill, yes I'd found that link and was posted in item #28 above. Please read this thread right from post one or you could find you're doing work others have already found.

I didn't and I did work on the Morison guy, but the folks in France were already in touch with this family.

Ellen Holland is the mothers name provided by details found via CWGC.

 

Ooops! Sorry... reinventing the wheel, eh?

 

Ha ha, we've all done it. Don't worry about it, just trying to save you some time. And it never hurts somebody verifying work already done, they sometimes turn up something that was overlooked first time round that ends up unlocking the whole mystery.

 

Ernest John Holland was 22 when he was killed on 13th April 1941, which would discount Ernest J Holland / Barwell

I have found a marriage for Ernest Holland and NELLIE HUNT Handsworth, 25th December 1910
Of interest, Ernest Holland Senior was a plasterer by trade. The newspaper article stated Ernest John Holland was a plasterer prior to joining the R.A.F in 1939?

First name(s) Ernest
Last name Holland
Name note Plasterer
Age 28
Marriage year 1910
Marriage date 25 Dec 1910
Marriage place Handsworth
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Holland
Spouse's first name(s) Nellie
Spouse's last name Hunt
Spouse's birth year 1885
Spouse's birth date 1885
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Hunt
Residence Handsworth, Stafford, England
County Staffordshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

 

Whose a clever bugger then? - great work Guy

TD

 

Nice one Guy, I'd also overlooked the months of birth. So we are on the hunt, for Miss Hunts marriage. Too many cooks don't always spoil the broth.

 

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Ernest Holland
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 28
Birth Date: 1882
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1910
Marriage Place: St. James, Handsowrth, Stafford, England
Father: Thomas Holland
Spouse: Nellie Hunt
FHL Film Number: 1520035
Reference ID: item 1 pg 176 No 352

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ernest Holland
Registration Year: 1910
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: West Bromwich
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1454
Records on Page:
Name
Ernest Holland
Nellie Hunt
Ernest Snookes

TD

 

Possible engagement for Ernest

 

Well this is the only Ernest J died 1940 (as he had already died prior to the engagement in Jan 1941 and was around for the 1939 register) - but why Brentford in Essex

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ernest J Holland
Death Age: 46
Birth Date: abt 1894
Registration Date: Jun 1940
Registration district: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 581

TD

Hmmmmm - just noticed this guy was born 1894 - marriage in post 47 born 1882 - cant be the same person

 

I think Ernest had only been engaged a couple of months before he was killed. I find her married in the 50s. Can see no children or marriage to Ernest. Dead end I think.

I don't think Ernest had any siblings, unless they were born elsewhere. Probably need to look at aunts and uncles now.

 

Not quite

They were apparently married 1910 in Staffs - so possibles

Sidney J Holland 1915 Jul-Aug-Sep Wolverhampton Staffordshire (Mothers maiden name Hunt
Name: Sidney J Holland
Mother's Maiden Name: Hunt
Registration Year: 1915

Ernest J Holland Jan-Feb-Mar 1919 Birmingham Warwickshire

Andrea J Holland Apr-May-Jun 1957 Birmingham Warwickshire

Vera M Holland Apr-May-Jun 1926 Birmingham N Warwickshire

Leslie B Holland Jul-Aug-Sep 1927 Birmingham N. Warwickshire


TD

 

That's more containable than the list thrown up by GRO, there were loads of births with mothers maiden name Hunt. My geography is awful and Ernest Johns was the only birth that came up when I refined it to the district of Birmingham. It's astounding the difference in information between both websites.

 

TD,
Handsworth parish was transferred from Staffordshire to Warwickshire, and became part of Birmingham, in 1911

 

......................... and possibly into Birmingham N (North I assume) sometime before 1926 ????????


Still its better than Solihull, Yorkshire

TD

 

Two possible marriages for Vera and I've a list of children from the first marriage I've looked into. I'll put the kids name on the private discussion tomorrow. I'm bushed.

Good night folks.

 

Do you think that this might be them?
Marriage

Ernest Holland

25 Dec 1910 • St. James, Handsworth, Stafford, England

Nellie Hunt

I know the name is Nellie... but it's not a great leap for her husband to call her Ellen and this became her 'known' name.


Gill

PS ooops... sorry...this has already come up! Duh!

 

Hi Gill, Nellie & Ellen are commonly interchangeable, as I found out via a great aunt. Sure doesn't help when you're trying to research them.

I've sent a Facebook message hopefully to Vera's son. Fingers crossed Vera was/is indeed Ernest's sister. But if he discounts the connection at least we will know we are pursuing the wrong tree.

Ernest is really proving elusive. Would be such a shame not to crack it having found all the other families.

 

It's amazing to have got all of this... a brilliant team effort.

Last year my husband and I went to Blije, Friesland, Holland to the unveiling of a panel dedicated to dad's plane a Short Stirling MG - J that was shot down in June 1942. It was an amazing occasion and I'd done a lot of research to contact crew members' families... so I was doubly proud of myself. I put it on my blog...Part II of our incredible journey to Friesland

 

Hi again!

Just heard from Andre Laroze...

"I have not been contacted by any relatives of Sgt Holland, sgt Hutchinson (I know you sent a mil to Mark about him), sgt Wilkinson (I was just mailed that he attended Qeen Elizabeth Grammar School (Penrith); Neil Clennell (a nephew of Sgt Clennell who crashed his Typhoon in St Sever) contacted the school a few days ago in order to get some details but so far we have not got anything. So you see I am waiting for a mail from the relatives of these 3 airmen (Holland, Hutchinson, Wilkinson) without mentionning Lt Rudolf Marko (USAF) who also died in St Sever on Aug.1st 1944 but we will try to contact his relatives in America later. At the moment we atre concentrating on the British pilots.

I have just got a mail from our town hall asking me to contact a M.K.J. Williams who read the article in the Daily Telegraph. I do not know whether he is a relative of a pilot. I am going to send him my e-mail so that I may tell you the result of this contact.

Concerning Warrant Officer Rawlings you know tha tI got a mail from one of his grandsons last Sunday. I gave him the date of the ceremony.Now I am waiting to hear from him again of course."

And hard on the heels of that mail:

"Hi Gill. I have just received a Mail from Ann Hutchinson a niece of sgt Hutchinson. Super. André"

So to recap: Sgts Ernest John Holland and Walter Hugh Wilkinson are the names that are still up in the air, it seems.

Gill

 

Wilkinson is not a problem - the details have been give to Oxonian who I hope has passed them on to Andre

Re Rawlings - Peter Syner is married to Carol A Rawlings - daughter of Kenneth, the only survivor

TD