Just off Ras el Hilal west of Derna, in 50m depth. http://www.argunners.com/missing-wwii-submarine-hms-urge-finally-found-after-73-years/ All the best Andreas
Hi Andreas, Sad tale however a Submarine with a proud history as short as it was with the sinking of an Italian Cruiser among her victories. This from: http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-12SS-09U-HMS_Urge.htm I notice in the plaque to their memory, where it states there were : Checking through the CWGC list for their crew, I noticed that their deaths are listed on 6th May 1942 not 29th April 1942 so presumably there is a reason for this. There is also a discrepancy between the report of 39 deaths as CWGC show 42. Also not being up with all things naval, I notice they are remembered on three different memorials. Can anyone explain why? ROWLEY JOHN KENNETH 27 D S M 06-05-42 Able Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/SSX 21371' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 56, 1. SON OF HARVEY SWANN ROWLEY AND SYBIL MARY ROWLEY, OF HALL GREEN, BIRMINGHAM. DAY FREDERICK 21 06-05-42 Able Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/SSX 20578' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 53, 3. SON OF ANNIE DAY. PARKINSON JOHN LESLIE 24 06-05-42 Able Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/JX 204152' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 66, Column 2. SON OF JOSEPH AND EDITH PARKINSON, OF COPPULL, LANCASHIRE; HUSBAND OF ADA PARKINSON, OF COPPULL. DAVISON ROBERT 21 06-05-42 Able Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/JX 190316' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 64, Column 3. SON OF ROBERT JAMES DAVISON AND AGNES DAVISON, OF NORTH WALSHAM, NORFOLK. GOSS RONALD HENRY 22 06-05-42 Able Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/SSX 20989' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 65, Column 1. SON OF SAMUEL AND DAISY GOSS, OF CWMBRAN MONMOUTHSHIRE. WILDMAN RICHARD 22 06-05-42 Able Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/JX 204322' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 67. Column 1. SON OF RICHARD JOHN AND MARY ALICE WILDMAN, OF LANCASTER. O'NEILL JOHN 22 Mentioned in Despatches 06-05-42 Able Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'P/JX 217252' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 64, Column 3. SON OF WILLIAM JOHN AND ANNIE O'NEILL, OF HUCKNALL, NOTTINGHAMSHIRE. TOMS CHARLES HERBERT 38 D S M 06-05-42 Chief Engine Room Artificer Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/M 35358' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 68, Column 3. SON OF HERBERT AND ALICE TOMS; HUSBAND OF VERA MURIEL TOMS, OF GOSPORT, HAMPSHIRE. JACKMAN CHARLEY JOHN 33 D S M and Bar, Twice Mentioned in Despatches 06-05-42 Chief Petty Officer Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'P/J 110919' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 62, Column 2. SON OF GLOSTER AND CATHERINE ARABELLA JACKMAN; HUSBAND OF ELSIE ROSALIE JACKMAN, OF BROCKENHURST, HAMPSHIRE. RUTTER RONALD FREDERICK 24 06-05-42 Electrical Artificer 4th Class Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/MX 59915' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 63, 3. SON OF WILLIAM THOMAS AND ELLEN LOUISA RUTTER, OF UXBRIDGE, MIDDLESEX. HELLYER REGINALD 28 D S M 06-05-42 Engine Room Artificer 2nd Class Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/MX 47775' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 60, 2. SON OF ERNEST AND OLIVE HELLYER; HUSBAND OF VERONICA ANN HELLYER. VARLEY ERIC 28 Mentioned in Despatches 06-05-42 Engine Room Artificer 3rd Class Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/MX 52497' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 69, Column 1. SON OF JOHN AND HANNAH EDDEN VARLEY, OF HORDEN, CO. DURHAM. WHITE WILLIAM PETER 21 06-05-42 Engine Room Artificer 4th Class Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/MX 76840' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 60, 2. SON OF GEORGE VICTOR AND CHARLOTTE LEASK WHITE, OF EAST HAM, ESSEX. HARMAN STANLEY GORDON 06-05-42 Engine Room Artificer 4th Class Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/MX 76070' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 60, 2. NORRIS JESSE D S M 06-05-42 Leading Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/JX 142500' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 52, 2. SON OF JESSE AND MINNIE NORRIS, OF ROCHESTER, KENT. OSBORN HERBERT GEORGE ARTHUR 27 D S M 06-05-42 Leading Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/JX 134094' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 52, 2. SON OF HERBERT CHARTER OSBORN AND ROSE EMILY OSBORN; HUSBAND OF VIOLET MAY OSBORN, OF CAMBRIDGE. GROVES LAURENCE FRANK 36 D S M 06-05-42 Leading Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/J 101563' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 52, 2. SON OF FRANK AND ROSE GROVES; HUSBAND OF GLADYS WINIFRED GROVES, OF FLEETWOOD, LANCASHIRE. MORRIS FREDERICK HAROLD 22 06-05-42 Leading Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'P/JX 145545' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 63, Column 1. LAW ERIC CHARLES 22 Mentioned in Despatches 06-05-42 Leading Signalman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/JX 145120' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 58, 2. SON OF CHARLES FREDERICK AND LOUISA ALICE LAW. WILKES SAMUEL CORNELIUS 06-05-42 Leading Stoker Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/KX 81223' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 61, 3. WOOLRICH JOHN EDWARD 24 06-05-42 Leading Stoker Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'P/KX 90716' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 68, Column 2. SON OF WILLIAM AND EDITH WOOLRICH, OF CHELL, STAFFORDSHIRE. ASHFORD HAROLD GEORGE 32 06-05-42 Leading Telegraphist Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/JX 127562' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 68, Column 1. SON OF GEORGE AND ESTHER D. ASHFORD, OF FROME, SOMERSET. ROGERS ROY WILLIAM GEORGE 22 D S M 06-05-42 Leading Telegraphist Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/SS 26082' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 68, Column 1. SON OF GEORGE WILLIAM AND EDITH LOUISA ROGERS, OF WHITSTABLE, KENT. TOMKINSON EDWARD PHILIP 30 D S O and Bar 06-05-42 Lieut-Commander Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 61. Column 3. SON OF ROBERT EDWARD AND BEATRICE LUCY TOMKINSON; HUSBAND OF MYRTLE ALICE TOMKINSON, OF LANGHAM, SUFFOLK. ALLEN DAVID BENNETT D S C 06-05-42 Lieutenant Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 61, Column 3. RANSOME JOHN SANDEMAN DEANE 26 D S C 06-05-42 Lieutenant Royal Naval Reserve H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 71, Column 1. SON OF CAPTAIN FRANK DEANE RANSOME AND CELIA NOEL RANSOME. POOLE JAMES MALCOLM STUART 23 D S C and Bar 06-05-42 Lieutenant Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 62, Column 1. SON OF JAMES AND FLORENCE MAY POOLE; HUSBAND OF LILIAN ELIZABETH ANNE POOLE, OF STREATHAM HILL, LONDON. BOTTING HENRY JOHN 06-05-42 Petty Officer Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/JX 137747' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 51, 3. WATTS HENRY RONALD JOSEPH 31 D S M, Mentioned in Despatches 06-05-42 Petty Officer Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'P/JX 129967' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 62, Column 3. SON OF JOSEPH EVANS WATTS AND EDITH CLARA WATTS, OF ARBORFIELD, BERKSHIRE. HIS BROTHER STANLEY HORACE WATTS ALSO FELL. ASHFORD WILLIAM GEORGE 28 D S M 06-05-42 Petty Officer Stoker Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'C/KX 82966' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 60, 3. SON OF HENRY GEORGE AND ALICE M. ASHFORD; HUSBAND OF VIOLET FRANCES ASHFORD, OF MERTON, SURREY. WISEMAN PETER DUGDALE 27 Mentioned in Despatches 06-05-42 Petty Officer Telegraphist Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/JX 134000' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 68, Column 1. SON OF THOMAS AND JANE WISEMAN, OF BLYTH, NORTHUMBERLAND. STANGER MARCUS 26 06-05-42 Stoker 1st Class Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/KX 90258' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 70, Column 3. HUSBAND OF GEORGINA ALEXANDRA STANGER, OF PLYMOUTH. McMILLAN JOSEPH CRESSWELL DIXON 21 06-05-42 Stoker 1st Class Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/SSX. 32970' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 70, Column 2. SON OF ROBERT AND MARY A. MCMILLAN, OF FAULDHOUSE, WEST LOTHIAN. TWIST HENRY ERNEST D S M 06-05-42 Telegraphist Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge United Kingdom 'D/JX 225829' PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 68, Column 2. BAXTER LESLIE GORDON 06-05-42 Able Seaman Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve H.M. Submarine Urge. United Kingdom 'C/LD/X 3971' CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 66, 2. McDIARMID FRED 21 06-05-42 Able Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge. United Kingdom 'P/SSX 32644' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 64, Column 2. SON OF GEORGE AND ELIZABETH B. MCDIARMID, OF GLOSSOP, DERBYSHIRE. CHAMBERLAIN SIDNEY WILLIAM 22 06-05-42 Leading Seaman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge. United Kingdom 'P/SSX 22878' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 62, Column 3. SON OF ERNEST WILLIAM AND EMILY CHAMBERLAIN, OF BRIGHTON. LEEKE RONALD WILLIAM 20 06-05-42 Leading Signalman Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge. United Kingdom 'P/JX 154364' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 66, Column 2. SON OF THOMAS WILLIAM AND ADA DOROTHY LEEKE, OF SCOTTER, LINCOLNSHIRE. LAMB JAMES WILFRED 24 06-05-42 Leading Stoker Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge. United Kingdom 'P/KX 94635' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 68, Column 1. SON OF CLARENCE LAMB, AND OF JANE A. LAMB, OF YORK. MAIDMENT JOHN 22 06-05-42 Leading Telegraphist Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge. United Kingdom 'P/SSX 22031' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 66, Column 3. SON OF JOHN AND ETHEL MARY MAIDMENT, OF DORCHESTER, DORSETSHIRE. BRYANT ALBERT EDWARD 38 06-05-42 Stoker 1st Class Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge. United Kingdom 'P/K 61633' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 68, Column 2. SON OF ALBERT AND ROSE BRYANT; HUSBAND OF ETHEL MARY BRYANT. BROWN CYRIL 28 06-05-42 Stoker 1st Class Royal Navy H.M. Submarine Urge. United Kingdom 'P/KX 84490' PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL Panel 68, Column 2. SON OF RUFUS AND HILDA ELIZA BROWN, OF COAL ASTON, DERBYSHIRE.
The choice of memorial depends on where they enlisted. This can be checked by their number prefix. D - Devonport (Plymouth). P - Portsmouth. C - Chatham. But there are always exceptions.
Between them the crew had 1 x DSO and bar 1 x DSC and bar 2 x DSC 1 x DSM and Bar, Twice Mentioned in Despatches. 10 x DSM 4 x mentioned in dispatches Impressive even for a submarine.
Spidge, U-boat net seems to have better information on her than Naval History Net (much as I like that site). Someone went through a lot of trouble to document the life and death of HM/Sub Urge there. http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3538.html Is that crew list for all on board or just the crew? Same question applies to the decorations. As for the date of death, my guess is she was first declared 'overdue' (29 April 42) and then 'Missing presumed lost' on 6 May 1941 (one week later) All the best Andreas
Thanks Gary, Yes I noticed that the decorations were impressive. Andreas, In the publication it stated lost 27th, confirmed 29th however could not find them on CWGC. crept further along and found them on the 6th of May. I singled out Naval losses for that day and all are noted as being from HM Sub "Urge". So three more than what has been stated. Cheers Geoff
Hi Spidge I did get that wrong. She was supposed to arrive in Alex on 6 May, and declared overdue on that day. That would explain the date on the memorials I think. Timeline: 27 April leaves Malta 29 April probably day of loss 6 May arrival date Alex All the best Andreas
From the Daily Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11589270/Royal-Navy-submarine-lost-at-sea-for-74-years-discovered-off-Libyan-coast.html
Another report of the HMS Urge being found this time off the coast of Malta. Lost WW2 British submarine found sunk off the coast of Malta
