Indian Long Range Squadron

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  1. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

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    TD
     
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  2. LRDGEgypt

    LRDGEgypt Member

    TD thank you might you have further pictures or informations would be great
     
  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    What sort of information are you after? - I only have access to publically accessible information - what information do you already have, as I might find details but it may only replicate what you already have

    TD
     
  4. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    LRDGEgypt,

    There is a thread on the ILRS and there are several references to McCoy, reflecting my research and help from others here. Plus the LRDG historian.See: Indian Long Range Squadron

    I had not looked for a photo of him, so will add a link to this thread.
     
  5. davidbfpo

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    For a photo of Major McCoy see Post 2 in this 2020 thread: ILRS Major McCoy
     
  6. LRDGEgypt

    LRDGEgypt Member

    Thank you is interesting. There are hardly any photos of the British officers of the ILRS I had found one picture of Hudson put it was in a very poor quality that it was not usable. There were also at least 3 Indian Officers serving with the ILRS there are even no single name for them. I/m preparing a reference book of the LRDG from 1940 -1945 and I would like to include the ILRS into it. What is on the other ILRS thread is everything that is known about them until now. Officer Nangle died during the 2 World War after leaving the ILRS so I m looking about some details there.
     
  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976
    Name: Gilbert William Nangle
    Father's Name: K E Nangle
    Death Date: 18 Mar 1944
    Death Place: Gurkha Rifles
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    Is this the man - if so there are other details for him

    TD
     
  8. LRDGEgypt

    LRDGEgypt Member

    exactly that is him also if there would be a picture it would be much appreciated
     
  9. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Regarding Mr Nagle the information I found two years ago was:
    I was only able to identify one Indian officer, who was named s with the ILRS upon their return to India from the expedition to Iraq. He was a Captain Akhtar Islam.

    As a very "long shot" you could try the Indian cavalry regiments which provided men to ILRS upon formation. I say "long shot" as my contacts with those identified as possible helpers could not help and it appears that individual regimental records (assuming they survived Partition) are held by their successor units.
     
  10. Tricky Dicky

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    Cant find a picture at the moment but did find this which I hope is useful

    Educ. at Sedbergh and R.M.C., Sandhurst. I.A. Enlisted in French Foreign Legion fighting in Spain with Junta 1936. In Palestine Police Force 1940. WW2 Re-employed with I.A. ; Lieut. 1941. On secret service in Iraq 1941. With Indian Desert Squadron in Libya 1942 2/7th Gurkha Rifles 1943. Italy 1944. 39/45 Star. Africa Star. Italy Star. War Medal, Despatches. Killed in action in Italy. Unmarried.


    UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
    Name: Gilbert William Nangle
    Arrival Age: 35
    Birth Date: abt 1902
    Port of Departure: Bombay, India
    Arrival Date: 11 Nov 1937
    Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
    Ports of Voyage: Bombay; Karachi and Gibraltar
    Ship Name: Elysia
    Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific
    Official Number: 128224

    The details on the attached might be of interest

    TD
     

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  11. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    There is a very long, detailed biography of Lieutenant Gilbert William Nangle (later Captain, then Major) on: Major Gilbert William Nangle - Cookstown War Dead

    I was puzzled at the reference to the French Foreign Legion (FFL) and fighting in the Spanish Civil War, with the Nationalists. The biography refers to him being excused from the FFL in 1930, after two years lobbying by his mother and joining the Spanish Foreign Legion, as an officer in September 1936. Leaving due to injuries in early 1938 and in the summer of 1938 joining the Palestine Police.

    He was one of three brothers, one died in 1931 in a Fleet Air Arm shipboard accident and another brother who by 1944 was Lieutenant Colonel George Slator Nangle (501240 or 337322), 9th Ghurkha Rifles (he survived WW2).
     
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  12. Tricky Dicky

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    UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949
    Name: G W Nangle
    Service Date: 1936-1939
    Service Place: Palestine
    Campaign or Service: Palestine
    Regiment or Unit Name: Palestine Police
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    TD

    The passenger list above does show him embarking in Gibraltar and that his country of last residence was Spain
     
  13. seaforth

    seaforth Junior Member

    I have a brief history of the unit and have attached it, hope it will be of some use.
     

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  14. LRDGEgypt

    LRDGEgypt Member

    Thank you all, Seaforth, TD, davidbfgo, I think the ILRS pdf file I had received from Alan Orten. I wonder if there would be other pictures show up from any person who had served with that unit. As far as I understand there were 3 Indian Officers at the formation of the group, that should be either dec 1941 or January 1942. The officer mentioned above was after Iraq, would we consider him one of the original indian officers? Or was he a replacement? Any further. information you could come up with would be great.
     
  15. Dom May

    Dom May New Member

    Hi davidbfpo
    Samuel Vallis McCoy is my grandfather on my mums side, he passed away on the 11th of July 1976 Downderry in Cornwall and is buried in the Weston Mills Cemetery in Plymouth. He went to Cambell College in Nothern Ireland and joined the Indian Army - his regiment the Skinners Horse??
    He was instrumental in setting up the Indian Long Range Scouts which was modelled on the LRDG in January 1942 - comprised mainly of Indian personel.
    In October 1942 the ILRS came under the command of the Long Range Desert Group.
    Samuel Vallis McCoy with troops 1.jpg Samuel Vallis McCoy 36.JPG Samuel Vallis McCoy with troops 2.jpg Samuel Vallis McCoy with Viceroy of India, Waverley & his daughter.jpg
     
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  16. Dom May

    Dom May New Member

    2nd Lancers Insigia
     

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  17. davidbfpo

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    Renewed research to find Samuel Vallis McCoy's (b. 25/11/1908) grave has drawn a blank. It might be complicated by him passing in 1976, in Cornwall, his home village had a family connection, then buried in Devon, in a cemetery which was historically named Devonport Cemetery and where his two older brothers, both Royal navy veterans are buried. A local family history group has copies of the cemetery records, so that is an option. About to update Dom May.
     
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  18. davidbfpo

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    Just found a reference to an Indian officer with the ILRS: Sujan Singh Uban. A previously unknown website refers to:
    Link: Long Range Desert Group

    No additional research done. Added just in case LRDGEgypt has id'd him before. Please note the website refers to the ILRS being disbanded in 1943, wrong!
     
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  20. davidbfpo

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    Discovered via Twitter that a Dutch military historian circulated a very short (28 seconds) film clip stating it was the ILRS on 10/11/2020. It is available via: https://twitter.com/rgpoulussen/status/1326057673775837184

    I am about to contact him and update him it is not the ILRS!

    After checking the clip is from the Pathe News film 'E Boats of the Desert' and is not the ILRS, it as others pointed out awhile back the Guides Cavalry. The full clip is available on (previous links no longer work): Indian L.R.D.G. Unit 1943
     
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