Max Hastings? Balanced modern or sensationist modern historian??

Discussion in 'Books, Films, TV, Radio' started by kfz, Jul 21, 2009.

  1. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Cant make him out.


    Works
     
  2. WotNoChad?

    WotNoChad? Senior Member

    Me neither, hence haven't read a jot by him. Tbh I've always been put off him by his nickname in Private Eye, which is "Hitler".
     
  3. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I've only read the Falklands book and that was good from what I remember (20 odd years ago).

    He seemed to do a spell on TV not so long ago and he came across ok on the programmes. I'm sure one was Question Time.
     
  4. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    "Don't Cry for Me Sergeant Major" told me all I ever needed to know about Max Hastings!:lol:

    Dave.
     
  5. DoctorD

    DoctorD WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

  6. Rob Dickers

    Rob Dickers 10th MEDIUM REGT RA

    I worked for Max Hastings for a number of years when he was Editor of the London Evening Standard. We all found him a very pleasant chap and boss, with a mind of knowledge on military history (would be an asset to the forum) The boys and I did miss him when he left the company to be replaced by another D--k Head. Only read Das Reich which truthfully I found a bit boring.
    Cheers Rob.
     
  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Started to read the Korean War book, gave up after awhile, just couldn't get into it.
     
  8. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    I have that problem with a LOT of the "current" crop of high or public profile historians. I've had to give up on anything written by James Lucas after Storming Eagles after only a few pages, and only my own interest in the events carried me through to the end of Beevor's Crete.

    Maybe I've just read too MUCH history over the years - it's possibly that that has made me overly-critical of STYLE and attitude...
     
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  9. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    I have only read two of Max hastings , like Drew his Falklands book ( 20 plus years ago) , which I found readable and quite good from memory and more recemtly his "Das Reich" which I was not altogether too fond of he seemed to lose his objectivity on occasions.
    He is easy to listen to on TV and speaks very well of modern historians / authors I would prefer Martin Middlebrook.
    Perhaps not totally different from what Andy , Rob and Owen have said.

    In respect of James Lucas his style of writing just does not appeal , and his Das Reich book was extremely poor - just didn't impress.
     
  10. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    I had actually forgotten I had Lucas' Storming Eagles! When I found it on my shelves and went back to it, the quality disappointed me second time around, it was no better than a "good" Charles Whiting.

    As for Whiting - while I agree with all the normal comments on his lack of depth and detail, his founding a book on a handful of anecdotes etc...I've always found him easy to read - and when I was a LOT younger he could be found in "easy access" locations; supermarket corner stands, remnant shelves etc. Some of my first self-bought military history as a teenager was Charles Whiting, bought in Supermac in Belfast, for those that remember it!

    Nowadays I find him still useful at times; a bit like a Wiki entry, not for his OWN merit - but he's full of buzzwords on particular topics for onward researching ;) And gratifyingly free of desperate attempts to drum up controversy out of nothing, Like Beevor.
     
  11. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    I've read Aramageddon and am currently reading Nemesis by Hastings. I've found these two to be fairly accessible and am enjoying the reading of them. They are good for general overviews only though but again, like Phylo with Whiting, can be useful. Mind you, some of his statements in Nemesis would generate a fair bit of discussion here :D
     
  12. Fireman

    Fireman Discharged

    I have several of his books and in the main found them to be quite good. In terms of accuracy and objectiveness it must be remembered that the research and writing is his so it will be subjective. Most, if not all authors can be found wanting in some area or other but one of the reasons we read many authors is to get a balanced view. The bottom line is of course that they are doing it to make 'dosh'!
     
  13. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I like him.
    He's not in the 'academic' bracket, but he tells a damned good tale.

    Seem to recall he's publicly pulled back a bit from his Das Reich book, admitting that he was perhaps a little dazzled at the time of writing - his weakest WW2 book I feel.
    Bomber Command seemed an excellent introduction to the subject for an air war knowlessman like myself.
    Overlord had me pretty much hooked when I was a kid (and I believe was a bit of a new approach to Normandy when first published?).
    Quite liked the anecdotal stuff in Armageddon, but still mildly confused as to the overall 'point' of the book.
    Victory in Europe - sure I've read it, but remember nothing about it... picture book?
    Korean War seemed very solid (I'm no expert), and filled a bit of a gap in coverage of that conflict, I think probably his best book.
    Warriors - Basically rollocking tales of derring-do; good fun.
    Falklands - seemed alright as a bit of journalism when I read it, again, I don't remember it well.

    'Readability' counts for a lot in the 'Popular History' market, and Hastings actually has decent style while knowing how to pace a story, certainly a damned site more than the turgid Beevor for my taste - Max H may not be the absolute dogs for full in-depth history, but I bet he's set a fair few off on reading more of the genre.

    His books nearly always cause some sort of outraged splash when released, often out of all proportion to the actual content on reading - something perhaps not unrelated to him being an old newsman that knows a thing or two about publicity ;).
     
  14. Len Trim

    Len Trim Senior Member

    I always teach my Advanced Higher kids that Hastings is a modern historian with a fairly traditional viewpoint on most WW2 related ideas eg Bomber Command-- necessity of campaign, Battle of Britain---importance of the Few, 'Blitz' mentality --- we're all in it together, fair share of the cake etc. Compared to say Angus Calder whose books have a more revisionist viewpoint. Hastings also produces easy to read narrative history which suits most people's reading habits especially school kids.

    Len
     
  15. sparky34

    sparky34 Senior Member

    not a great deal i can add to the overall view ...the few books i have read
    of his i have enjoyed .he comes over as a decent bloke ..i also enjoy his columns
    in the press without always agreeing with him ..
     
  16. Young Tom

    Young Tom Member

    I seem to be having a Hastings season and have just started Bomber Command. I read John Terraine's Right of the Line some years ago and hope I remember enough of that to be able to make a comparison.
     
  17. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Bomber Command is a superb work that stands up today, with--in my opinion--an academic standard of research.
    Read alongside Len Deighton's Bomber and you have a distilled essence of the experience at both ends.
     
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  18. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Is my memory playing tricks or is 'Charles Whiting' a nom de plume? Even though he has a decent length bibliography, I've a feeling that he has also published under another name.

    Edit: Wiki agrees that there are other names, but Charles Whiting is the real one:

    Charles Henry Whiting (18 December 1926 – 24 July 2007), was a British writer and military historian and with some 350 books of fiction and non-fiction to his credit, under his own name and a variety of pseudonyms including Duncan Harding, Ian Harding, John Kerrigan, Leo Kessler, Klaus Konrad, K.N. Kostov, and Duncan Stirling.
     
  19. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Based on 'Inferno' I vote for Sensationalist Modern Historian.

    He throws one bombshell after another, all without sources or footnotes, that seem designed to shock the reader into saying "WOW!".

    Complete waste of 20 bucks
     

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