Messerschmitts in the Pacific?

Discussion in 'War Against Japan' started by Warlord, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    I wonder how they got there, most likely by train through the USSR before Barbarossa :mellow:

    It's a 109 E, after all, Battle of Britain vintage.
     
  2. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    Nice find Verriers,
    Is there any date for that picture? I assume if it "influenced" the design the had it before '43?

    1941 . Later in the war the Germans supplied a ME 262 delivered in pieces according to the report by U-Boat don`t know how true that is,the transport that is, but the lines of the ME 262 can be seen in the Nakajima J8N1 Kikka (Orange Blossom) carrier based aircraft developed by the Japanese.



    Verrieres
     
  3. Warlord

    Warlord Veteran wannabe

    I must have missed this at the time however where did the B-17 refuel on the way back as Davao on Mindanao is 4700 kms from Batchelor Airfield which is about 70kms south of Darwin and the range of a B-17 with a 6000lb bombload is only 3200 kms.

    On the way in, 9 B-17D's fitted with extra fuel tanks in one bomb-bay (leaving an attack payload of only 2000 pounds) made it non-stop to the target area, landing at Del Monte, in Mindanao, on the run out.

    Once on the ground, they were ordered to attack the Japanese landings at Lingayen Gulf, to stage through San Marcelino on the return trip. However, fighter attacks prevented them from landing there, so 4 ships went all the way back to Batchelor via Ambon, while the rest made it to Del Monte, and from then, after further attacks on the Japanese, to Australia.
     
  4. Warlord

    Warlord Veteran wannabe

    I wonder how they got there, most likely by train through the USSR before Barbarossa :mellow:

    It's a 109 E, after all, Battle of Britain vintage.

    Supply ships for the raider force the Kriegsmarine deployed all over the world - together with blockade runners - were constantly entering Japanese harbors, so maybe it was one of them who brought the kites in.
     
  5. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Your guess is as good as mine :) I say load them on the Tras-Siberian and a ship will pick them up in Vladivostock. This route was interrupted only in June 22, 1941!
     
  6. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    On the way in, 9 B-17D's fitted with extra fuel tanks in one bomb-bay (leaving an attack payload of only 2000 pounds) made it non-stop to the target area, landing at Del Monte, in Mindanao, on the run out.

    Once on the ground, they were ordered to attack the Japanese landings at Lingayen Gulf, to stage through San Marcelino on the return trip. However, fighter attacks prevented them from landing there, so 4 ships went all the way back to Batchelor via Ambon, while the rest made it to Del Monte, and from then, after further attacks on the Japanese, to Australia.

    Thanks Warlord!
     
  7. 1941 . Later in the war the Germans supplied a ME 262 delivered in pieces according to the report by U-Boat don`t know how true that is,the transport that is, but the lines of the ME 262 can be seen in the Nakajima J8N1 Kikka (Orange Blossom) carrier based aircraft developed by the Japanese.



    Verrieres

    The Germans made several cargo runs to Japan with submarines. Some were specific cargo runs, some were part of a effort base a small squadron of subs near the Indian Ocean. Those relocating subs carried some cargo. The last attempt in April 1945 is mentioned in Rhoades book 'The Making of the Atomic Bomb'. The passage is primarily concerned with the 1,200 + pounds of Uranium Oxide or Yellow Cake, the partially refined Uranium ore aboard the sub. Also mentioned in the chapter are a pair of jet engines of the type used on the Me262, bundles of engineering drawings, some small specialty items for weapons production, and two Japanese naval officers. The submarines cargo is well documented in US archives as its voyage was interrupted by the German surrender. The commander followed orders to signal Allied waarships and it was eventually boarded and towed to a US naval base where the cargo was inventoried. The Japanese officers committed suicide according to the subs log book, the Uranium Oxide was added to the US inventory.
     
  8. Supply ships for the raider force the Kriegsmarine deployed all over the world - together with blockade runners - were constantly entering Japanese harbors, so maybe it was one of them who brought the kites in.

    Into 1941 it would have been simpler. Nuetral cargo ships were still making voyages between Europe and Asia. Portuguse, Spanish, French, Greek, Swedish, and quite a few registered in South America countries with ambigious ownership docked in Japan or out of the way ports where cargo could be transfered. The British worked hard to gain control of this traffic & as 1941 spun out it was slowly shut down. Although there are rumors that mysterious 'nuetral' cargo ships were still meeting German submarines during 1942. In any case in 1940 or 41 it would be possible for the German to throw enough money at a Spanish shipping company, or to 'persuede' the Vichy French to carry some priority cargo from Europe to Asia. All sorts of games could be played at sea with Argentinian or Thai registration papers and a flag.
     

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