MoD searches for the family's of 6 lost airmen

Discussion in 'The War In The Air' started by Peter Clare, Apr 12, 2016.

  1. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    Thank you Tom.

    Regards

    Peter
     
  2. Dodo

    Dodo Member

    Thank you so much...P/O John Cromarty was my cousin but sadly I couldn't get to the ceremony today as disabled... A good friend went & represented me.....can't wait to see him when he gets back to England so he can tell me all about it...your photos are brilliant...again thank you for posting them
     
  3. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Dodo,
    The pleasure was all mine. There were others who also took photographs plus the RBB Local TV station, so perhaps more will emerge especially as the MOD were present.
    We will continue to Remember these brave men, who deserve nothing less.
    Regards
    Tom
     
  4. Dodo

    Dodo Member

    Absolutely...I didn't know about any of this until the week before last.....all I had was a photo of him as a baby with his cousin, my mum & this one of him as a little boy image.jpg
     
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  5. Recce_Mitch

    Recce_Mitch Very Senior Member

    Tom thanks for sharing your photos

    Cheers
    Paul
     
  6. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Dodo,
    What a wonderful photograph of him as a boy.
    A wonderful reminder of very brave young man that served his country and made the ultimate sacrifice.
    Thankyou for posting his photograph.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  7. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Forces TV have just posted this link, which is a short video of the Services held yesterday.

    http://forces.tv/81467308

    Regards
    Tom
     
  8. Dodo

    Dodo Member

    Thank you...I will go and watch it now...and my friend has just sent me these photos image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg
     
  9. Dodo

    Dodo Member

    Excellent ...thank you for posting that link...i've watched it several times

    Regards
     
  10. Dodo

    Dodo Member

    Was their life expectancy 6 months? I was told 6 weeks...still either is far, far too short for so very many young men.
     
  11. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Dodo,
    The life expectancy of aircrew was hard to pin down.
    Luck paid a huge part as some aircrew perished on their first operational mission. Many died during training.
    Some went on to complete many missions.
    It was a fact when attacking well defended targets like Berlin that sometimes more than 10% were lost.
    Statistics can be made for different times of the Bomber Command offensive, but the fact remains that over 55000 lost their young lives.

    Here is a newspaper article worth reading.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2159978/Brave-They-scared-witless-What-heroes-defying-fear-raid-terrifying-raid.html

    Regards
    Tom
     
  12. Dodo

    Dodo Member

    Thanks Tom, a very interesting read

    Regards
     
  13. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Thanks Tom for posting the photographs of the reburial service.

    These posts also relate to the event,a thread which Tom initiated...http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/60970-re-dedication-at-cwgc-berlin-war-cemetery-heerstrasse-berlin/

    I have looked through the crew lists for a casualty with a southern England location without success.The RAF casualty featured in a documentary which I saw shortly after reunification when his two sisters found their his grave in the former GDR. At this point the CWGC were able to visit the graves sites of British servicemen in the former GDR. There must have been a programme of reburials to concentrated military cemeteries of those who were found buried in GDR cemeteries.

    From November 1943 to March 1944, The Battle of Berlin cost Bomber Command 1047 aircraft and an unacceptable loss of aircrew

    http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/60840-night-of-the-big-wind-24th-march-1944/

    Per Ardua Ad Astra
     
  14. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Harry,
    As far as I am aware re burials were carried out when CWGC cemeteries were built and bodies re interned at the nearest CWGC Cemetery.
    When the wall went up this ceased and only Brixmis personnel were allowed on DDR territory.
    Brixmis laid wreaths at Commemorative Services held in the DDR until unification.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  15. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Thanks Tom for the information.

    I'll try to locate the cassette recording I made of the successful attempt by two sisters to find the grave of their brother who had been buried in what turned out to be an overgrown GDR civilian cemetery.
     
  16. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Harry, I will also try and look up CWGC info for you.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  17. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Harry,
    Here are scans of the relevent pages from a CWGC Booklet I have regarding the Graves in Germany and Berlin in particular.

    001.jpg 002.jpg 003.jpg

    If I can be of any further help just ask.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  18. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Thanks Tom,

    I thought that over the years the casualty would have been re-interred in a concentrated military cemetery which of course would be the Berlin cemetery.

    The answer to the casualty's identity is recorded on the cassette about 25 years ago when the casualty's sisters recorded memories of their brother when they were on the quest to locate his initial resting place.
     
  19. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Harry,

    It would appear that they fell under the category that no Next of Kin could be identified at the time before the area became part of the East and DDR Territory. .

    Depending on the timescale the graves were probably out of bounds to all but BRIXMIS.

    I wonder if the relatives informed the CWGC after their enquiries? and if so whether a decision was made not to re-interr the remains.

    Regards
    Tom
     

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